#2 Two Salvations? #3 Kingdom Exclusion

[J. Jump]

Those lies only bring worry to one whether or not one has done enough to enter the kingdom.

Really? James you worried? Lacy you fretting? How about you HoG, you worried 24/7?

Christ does not want His Children to live in fear, or to be anxious for anything.

Again that must be a awful big black out marker you got.

Worry is sin. If you are worried that you might not do enough on your own to gain entrance, you are living in constant sin.

Again I don't know of anyone that is worried. Anybody worried out there that they may not get in? I know it's a possibility, but I'm not worried about it.

I am clothed in Christ Jesus because of my trust in His finished work on Mount Calvary.

For eternal purposes that is true. But what do you do with the verses that says we are to clothe ourselves? And Rev. 19:8 says we are to clothe ourselves in the righteous acts of the saints. It doesn't say clothe ourselves in Christ's righteousness. How do you fit that one into your theology?

His blood saved me and keeps me and has made my robes white and it is no longer I that live, but Christ lives in me. I have put on His righteousness. Because I am clothed in His righteousness, I am made worthy to enter the kingdom.

Again that totally slaps Rev. 19:8 in the face. So either you are wrong or Scripture is wrong. I'll take Scripture. Scripture says that the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints. How do you deal with that?

Satan's lies and deceitful twisting of God's Holy Word will never convince me otherwise.

Better just to leave that one alone if you know what I mean

 

[Diggin in da Word]

The evidence has been posted over and over again that the MK doctrine is a false doctrine. The truth be known, you just have not accepted the truth.

 

[James_Newman]

Really? James you worried? Lacy you fretting? How about you HoG, you worried 24/7?

While I don't think I worry enough, I do have a great hope that God will work it in me. But I certainly don't worry about my eternal state. It is finished.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

While I don't think I worry enough, I do have a great hope that God will work it in me. But I certainly don't worry about my eternal state. It is finished.

And there you go folks. an unsure man, not sure of where he will be during the millenial kingdom; outside or inside.

I am sure where I will be. My Bible teaches where I will be... ever with the Lord once He raptures me from this earth. There is no chance of being an outcast for me.

You sepak of eternal security being sure for you, and yet teach Christ may cast you out.

Sounds double-minded to me.

 

[webdog]

Yep and if you want to accuse me of being a hypocrite then you need to provide evidence of such with your posting. But I suspect since you didn't and those that post like you never do you are just again slandering someone that doesn't agree with you because you can't refute what they have to say.

But if I have misjudged, mislabeled and/or lied about what you have said then please cough up the evidence. I'll await your response if there is any.

Webdog if you want to convince yourself of that so be it, but as many times as you say it doesn't make it automatically true. Try the word of faith movement. They believe in that type of stuff. Just say over and over and over and create your own reality.

Don't get bent out of shape if I say your beliefs belong in the catholic church after you state I should try WoF. That makes you a hypocrite for slamming me when you were the first to do the slamming.

 

[J. Jump]

The evidence has been posted over and over again that the MK doctrine is a false doctrine. The truth be known, you just have not accepted the truth.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Keep'em coming. Laughter is good for my health!!

 

[J. Jump]

You sepak of eternal security being sure for you, and yet teach Christ may cast you out. Sounds double-minded to me.

Yet another statement that shows you have no clue as to what is being discussed or you are purposefully lying about James. You tell us which it is, becuase that isn't remotely close to what James said.

 

[J. Jump]

Don't get bent out of shape if I say your beliefs belong in the catholic church after you state I should try WoF.

Well if you thought I was bent out of shape you are sadly mistaken. I could care less that you slander me as you do. It is to be expected. I said said you were incorrect in your assesment, which you are because this is not the Catholic teaching of purgatory (which again shows you don't know what you are talking about or are purposefully lying).

So yet again there are false accusations with ZERO evidence. So I'll just chalk it up to more slander on your part.

 

[Lacy Evans]

And there you go folks. an unsure man, not sure of where he will be during the millenial kingdom; outside or inside.

Are you "sure" that God, the Father, will never chasten you if you are disobedient? Just answer that one question with scripture.

Lacy

Psalms 139:7-8
7 Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?
8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.

 

[webdog]

Well if you thought I was bent out of shape you are sadly mistaken. I could care less that you slander me as you do. It is to be expected. I said said you were incorrect in your assesment, which you are because this is not the Catholic teaching of purgatory (which again shows you don't know what you are talking about or are purposefully lying).

So yet again there are false accusations with ZERO evidence. So I'll just chalk it up to more slander on your part.

While not catholic purgatory, it's purgatory none the less. Slander you as I do? I think this is the first dialogue I have had with you yet here on the BB. You really need some thicker skin.

 

[Diggin in da Word]

Since the Catholics use the same verse to claim purgatory as you to to claim KE, and since KE is for the same purpose as the Catholic's Purgatory, I would say they are one and the same doctrine.

I woulld disagree that either of them belong in the Catholic church though. They both belong in the trash can, for that is all either are teaching, is garbage.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Are you "sure" that God, the Father, will never chasten you if you are disobedient? Just answer that one question with scripture.

Lacy

Psalms 139:7-8
7 Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?
8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.

God may chasten me for wrongs I do, but He never will send me to hell.

Oh, btw, David said 'If I make my bed in hell...' Notice David did not say 'If you put me in hell...', God does not send someone to hell, they send themselves to hell because of denying His Son. That is the only reason anyone will ever feel the flames of hell or the lake of fire.

Our Salvation is secure, and when Christ comes to claim His own, they will be like Him and will not have to hear those words, "Depart from me, ye that do work iniquity.'

 

[Lacy Evans]

I woulld disagree that either of them belong in the Catholic church though. They both belong in the trash can, for that is all either are teaching, is garbage.

I am so hurt! :tear:

You know, Digger, if you keep wowing us with such clearly scriptural and highly intellectual and stimulating arguments, we might come over to the "right" side and be just like you!


Lacy

 

[Lacy Evans]

God may chasten me for wrongs I do, but He never will send me to hell.

So your "short answer" is that you have absolutely no assurance that the Blood of Christ and his saving death will "save" you from his chastening hand if you are bad?

Lacy

 

[Diggin in da Word]

So your "short answer" is that you have absolutely no assurance that the Blood of Christ and his saving death will "save" you from his chastening hand if you are bad?

Lacy

Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

thanx, DidW,

Was looking for that very same verse.

Lacy,

God's Word tells us He chastens whom He loves. His chastening does not include putting them in a place of torment, regardless of your mis-interpretation of His Word.

 

[Lacy Evans]

God does not send someone to hell, they send themselves to hell because of denying His Son.

I agree.

Matthew 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

Matthew 26:71-72
71 And when he was gone out into the porch, another maid saw him, and said unto them that were there, This fellow was also with Jesus of Nazareth.
72 And again he denied with an oath, I do not know the man.

Peter either

A) Lost his salvation.
B) Proved he was never saved in the first place.
C) Wasn't quite "really" saved yet so needed to get "really" saved by standing against temptation, being courageous, and confessing Christ, and obeying all the rest of Matthew 10. (WORKS)
C) Messed up and needed to repent before he inherited the full promise of Matt 10:33.
D) Something that I have not thought of and would love to be enlightened about.

 

[Lacy Evans]

Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men.

The funny thing is that that verse was directed toward a Christian.

Lacy

 

[J. Jump]

While not catholic purgatory, it's purgatory none the less. Slander you as I do? I think this is the first dialogue I have had with you yet here on the BB. You really need some thicker skin./quote]

Well you can call it purgatory if you like, but you know as well as I do that when you use that term it is associated with Catholicism, and as such if you continue to use the term when you know good and well that's not what it is then you are purposefully trying to put us in a bad light just by the way you communicate. Again that is nothing new. They do it in politics all the time.

Are you sure you are not a politician.

As to your last statement, you falsely accuse me a being a hypocrite and I'm the one that needs thicker skin - :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

 

[Diggin in da Word]

The funny thing is that that verse was directed toward a Christian.

Lacy

It was not directed toward a Christian. It was directed toward satan who Peter allowed to speak through him.