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Jason1

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Paul told us in that book that we are now free to worship any day as the Sabbath day of God!
That is totally incorrect and taking scripture out of context.

Its saying don't let them judge you in HOW you are keeping these celebrations. Judaism had their own multitude of rules to follow regarding these and these additions are unnecessary.
 

Yeshua1

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No, that is not a fact.

He freed us from the penalty of them by taking it upon himself. If you continue in sin thereafter, you trample upon his blood.

Christians actually do most of the law in general, they mainly don't keep the sabbath and they eat all sorts of unclean things.
Are you a Christian? And that verse in Hebrews refers to those, like you, who know that death of jesus is the ONLY remaining sacrafice for sins, so it is NOT saying that those saved must cease from sinning, but that those who turn away from Jesus/cross, and try to get right with God by OT sacrifaces and keeping the Law!
 

Adonia

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No, that is not a fact.

He freed us from the penalty of them by taking it upon himself. If you continue in sin thereafter, you trample upon his blood.

Christians actually do most of the law in general, they mainly don't keep the sabbath and they eat all sorts of unclean things.

The only thing that is unclean is what comes out of one's mouth - Jesus said that you know. But I'm sorry, Jesus did free us from following the old law. We Gentiles became the son's and daughters because of his sacrifice, and eating what we want and not treating our women differently because it's their time of the month is not sinning and therefore is not trampling upon His blood.
 
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Yeshua1

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That is totally incorrect and taking scripture out of context.

Its saying don't let them judge you in HOW you are keeping these celebrations. Judaism had their own multitude of rules to follow regarding these and these additions are unnecessary.
Hebrews state that we are now under the Sabbath Day rest , NOT on saturday, but now being under the new Covenant!
 

Jason1

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The only thing that is unclean is what comes out of one's mouth - Jesus said that you know.
Jesus didn't change any laws. Look at Lev 11. Jesus only came speaking His Father's word. He was teaching that the tongue defiles a man (not dirt). There was no reference to unclean meats in that passage.
 

Yeshua1

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That is totally incorrect and taking scripture out of context.

Its saying don't let them judge you in HOW you are keeping these celebrations. Judaism had their own multitude of rules to follow regarding these and these additions are unnecessary.
Christians are free to not observe anything the Jews did under the old covenant!
 

Jason1

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Are you a Christian? And that verse in Hebrews refers to those, like you, who know that death of jesus is the ONLY remaining sacrafice for sins, so it is NOT saying that those saved must cease from sinning, but that those who turn away from Jesus/cross, and try to get right with God by OT sacrifaces and keeping the Law!
Keeping the law is how you stay right. If you don't you are a sinner.

If you willfully break the law, there is not more sacrifice for sin (Heb), but a fearful looking forward to judgment. Is that your plan?
 

Yeshua1

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Keeping the law is how you stay right. If you don't you are a sinner.

If you willfully break the law, there is not more sacrifice for sin (Heb), but a fearful looking forward to judgment. Is that your plan?
Keeping the law is how you stay right. If you don't you are a sinner.

If you willfully break the law, there is not more sacrifice for sin (Heb), but a fearful looking forward to judgment. Is that your plan?
We are not under law, but grace , and that the passage in hebrews refers to those who reject Jesus as saving them, and try to get saved by keeping the Law!
 

Adonia

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Jesus didn't change any laws. Look at Lev 11. Jesus only came speaking His Father's word. He was teaching that the tongue defiles a man (not dirt). There was no reference to unclean meats in that passage.

But commentaries on that verse also tend to include all manner of foods. It's not what goes in because all that intake goes into the latrine.

From Matt 15.

10 Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen and understand.

11What goes into someone’s mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them.”

12Then the disciples came to him and asked, “Do you know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this?”

16 “Are you still so dull?” Jesus asked them. 17“Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body?

18But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the heart, and these defile them.

19For out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander.

20These are what defile a person; but eating with unwashed hands does not defile them.

Christian commentaries on that verse also tend to include all manner of foods. It's not what goes in because all that intake goes into the latrine.

Going by what you say and your narrow look at the passage, you had better be washing your hands every time before you eat, because if not you are in transgression of the law and then you are sinning. Be ready for your Judgement!
 
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Yeshua1

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But commentaries on that verse also tend to include all manner of foods. It's not what goes in because all that intake goes into the latrine.

From Matt 15.

10 Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen and understand.

11What goes into someone’s mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them.”

12Then the disciples came to him and asked, “Do you know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this?”

16 “Are you still so dull?” Jesus asked them. 17“Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body?

18But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the heart, and these defile them.

19For out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander.

20These are what defile a person; but eating with unwashed hands does not defile them.

Christian commentaries on that verse also tend to include all manner of foods. It's not what goes in because all that intake goes into the latrine.

Going by what you say and your narrow look at the passage, you had better be washing your hands every time before you eat, because if not you are in transgression of the law and then you are sinning. Be ready for your Judgement!
Paul stated that NONE will be justified in sight of God by doing the law!
 

Jason1

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Paul stated that NONE will be justified in sight of God by doing the law!
Rom_2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.)

Hmmmmm, seems we have a conflict of scripture. Should we explain the solution?
 

Jason1

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But commentaries on that verse also tend to include all manner of foods. It's not what goes in because all that intake goes into the latrine.

From Matt 15.

10 Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen and understand.

11What goes into someone’s mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them.”

12Then the disciples came to him and asked, “Do you know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this?”

16 “Are you still so dull?” Jesus asked them. 17“Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body?

18But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the heart, and these defile them.

19For out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander.

20These are what defile a person; but eating with unwashed hands does not defile them.

Christian commentaries on that verse also tend to include all manner of foods. It's not what goes in because all that intake goes into the latrine.

Going by what you say and your narrow look at the passage, you had better be washing your hands every time before you eat, because if not you are in transgression of the law and then you are sinning. Be ready for your Judgement!
Yes, you are right that commentaries do this, as well as most all churches. They missed the whole point of the passage.

Washing of hands is a man-made doctrine (oral law). This is not found in written law and that is why Jesus comes against it.

Jesus can't change the law or he wouldn't be the messiah. He also stated wasn't changing any laws in Matt 5.
 

Revmitchell

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Rom_2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.)

Hmmmmm, seems we have a conflict of scripture. Should we explain the solution?

Again you have ripped scripture out of context.
 

Yeshua1

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Rom_2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.)

Hmmmmm, seems we have a conflict of scripture. Should we explain the solution?
The solution is to have the right Gospel message...
 

Adonia

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Yes, you are right that commentaries do this, as well as most all churches. They missed the whole point of the passage.

Washing of hands is a man-made doctrine (oral law). This is not found in written law and that is why Jesus comes against it.

Jesus can't change the law or he wouldn't be the messiah. He also stated wasn't changing any laws in Matt 5.

Oh I see, most Christian faith traditions have come up with this interpretation, but somehow you are the one who has gotten it right? Sorry, I'm not buying.

But the question remains: Do you or do you not wash your hands every time you eat something? If you miss doing this just once then you are a sinner who is apart from God.

I'm sorry, but you can't claim the cover of Christ for your sins if you are of the old way and from how you say you look at things, you are. You have either been freed from the old law or you still are in bondage to it. On the other hand, if you claim Christ then you are beating yourself up needlessly in your attempt to live a holy and pleasing life to God.
 
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Jason1

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Oh I see, most Christian faith traditions have come up with this interpretation, but somehow you are the one who has gotten it right? Sorry, I'm not buying.

But the question remains: Do you or do you not wash your hands every time you eat something? If you miss doing this just once then you are a sinner who is apart from God.

I'm sorry, but you can't claim the cover of Christ for your sins if you are of the old way and from how you say you look at things, you are. You have either been freed from the old law or you still are in bondage to it. On the other hand, if you claim Christ then you are beating yourself up needlessly in your attempt to live a holy and pleasing life to God.
You are still failing to grasp that there were two laws at work: Written Law (From YHVH) and Oral Law (From Man).

Washing hands is a commandment of man (oral law) and thus not applicable to anyone. This is what is bondage. Written law is called the law of freedom and YHVH says He gave it to us for our good.

Eating according to the Word is not bondage, it actuality it is a much healthier way to live (science proves this out).
 

Yeshua1

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You are still failing to grasp that there were two laws at work: Written Law (From YHVH) and Oral Law (From Man).

Washing hands is a commandment of man (oral law) and thus not applicable to anyone. This is what is bondage. Written law is called the law of freedom and YHVH says He gave it to us for our good.

Eating according to the Word is not bondage, it actuality it is a much healthier way to live (science proves this out).
You do realize that God has made obsolete the Old Covenant for the new and much better one?
 

Jason1

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Again you have ripped scripture out of context.
Oh Rev, the theology on this forum does that in spades. Here is some preceding verses for you that you must have missed:

Rom 2:5 But according to your hardness and your unrepentant heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of Elohim,
Rom 2:6 who “shall render to each one according to his works”:
Rom 2:7 everlasting life to those who by persistence in good work seek for esteem, and respect, and incorruptibility;
Rom 2:8 but wrath and displeasure to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness;
 
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