A Command To Sobriety!

INCOMING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


kABOOM!

(Tiny peaks out of his hole to see it the thread still exists....)

Ah Man.... Back to the drawing board!

 

2 Timothy 4:3-4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

We certainly are living in the last days. The Strongs Concordance tells us that the word 'sober' does indeed mean

Vines Expository Dictionary of the Greek New Testament gives this definition:

We are living in a day when people turn turn their ears from the truth, believing a lie. They call good evil and evil good.

Nepho meant 'abstinence from intoxicating wines' in Paul's day, it still means that today.


Baptist Believer,

You are assigning the word wine as being all alcoholic in the Word of God... it was not.

 

Yep. The Strong concordance clearly points out that the word is used figuratively. Therefore context tells us what the word means...

Yep. The Vines dictionary points out that the word is use metaphorically. Again, context gives us the meaning.

Certainly it can mean abstinence from intoxicating wines, but it was also often used figuratively, just like the English word sober is used today.
But let’s use your meaning of the word “Nepho” or in the KJV, “sober”, in the context of scripture to see if you are correct:

Did you notice that both of these descriptions of a good bishop indicate that a bishop is “not given to wine” (that is, in the King James vernacular, “is not addicted to wine”) and that they should be sober (that is, serious-minded and discreet). There would be no reason to mention being “not given to wine” if the word “sober” was not used figuratively in the New Testament.
Furthermore, all the references to the word “sober” that have been given in this thread, by their context, indicate that the word is being used figuratively.

I’m merely being consistent with the uses of the terminology “wine and strong drink” because that phrase, by the context, indicates intoxicating beverages. If a phrase is used repeatedly (not just a word) in the scripture, it is very likely that is means the same thing every time it is used.

Sure it was. You seem to claim that it couldn’t be because that would make the verses from Proverbs (and your personal position) contradict the whole counsel of scripture. May I suggest to you that you have committed the very understandable error of reading Proverbs as if it had the same authority as the Ten Commandments instead of being a book of general wisdom for God’s people?

 

How do you make wine without fermentation?

 

Both sides of this debate, shut up already, zip it, stuff a sock in it. This subject is enough to drive anyone crazy. How many times you can say it is wrong? OK SFIC and His Blood, now repeat after me, I am against drinking, I am against drinking, now keep repeating that until Cheney becomes President. OK, now Webdog and others repeat after me, I am for drinking, I am for drinking, and repeat that until Jerry Falwell becomes President. Shut up already. Enough to drive someone to drink.

 

Yes, and in every thread I and others have gone into great detail about why we agree with you. Several times. Time to move on.

 

Isn't it important to know the greek word "oinos" as it is used in the verses with regard to wine?

All I know is The Bible tells us Jesus drank wine (Luke 7:34)--often enough, apparently, that his detractors accused him of being a drunkard. If the wine he drank was not possible to make one intoxicated then I think such an accusation would make no sense.

Now please note that I have often followed your posts with a great deal of respect standingfriminChrist and I'm not bringing this stuff up to antagonize you but to share my issues with such positions.

Thanks.

 

saturneptune....i was laughing histarically when i read your post. you've convinced me to never respond to another comment on this.
and you're right...i started i arguing that it was okay to drink despite not being a drinker...however i have almost been driven to drinking!!
EVERYONE: WHEN YOU HAVE THE URGE TO CONTINUE POSTING ON THIS....READ SATURNEPTUNE'S POST UNTIL YOU LOSE THAT DESIRE!!! :laugh:

i'm serious...i really thought it was funny.

 

I will not post... I will not post... I will not post....

Ooops I did it again!!!

Hey, there's a topic...Britney Spears divorce.
I wonder if alcohol was involved? lol

 

I am for moderation, sobriety and not changing the teaching of the scripture to fit our modern presuppositions.

The scripture does not forbid the use of alcoholic beverages. Period. It forbids drunkenness. Period. Jesus was known for drinking wine so much that it was used as an opportunity to claim He was a drunkard. Period. I am an apprentice of Jesus. The Master is above the apprentice in these matters. I dare not condemn Jesus for His example of living.

 

must not do it..........must not reply to standingfirm.......aauugghhhh:tonofbricks:
i must resist the temptation..........


aahh! i did it. i resisted. :thumbs:

 

I am in agreement with Baptist Believer on this. The Apostle Paul knew that Wine was 'good' for one's health and suggested it's use. Hyper-Interpretation is just as distorting as Liberal-Interpretation. Moderation in all things is a Biblical Teaching.

 

For those of you who remember English class, a congegation of the word to abstain for your enjoyment.

I abstain
You abstain
He abstains
We abstain
You abstain
They abstain

 

Whew! After reading all this, I need a good stiff drink of, uh, grape juice to steady my nerves.

 

Genesis 40:11 And Pharaoh's cup was in my hand: and I took the grapes, and pressed them into Pharaoh's cup, and I gave the cup into Pharaoh's hand.