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A Common Mistake In Christian Marriages.

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HankD

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The passage in Timothy is involving the church. I agree with the Scriptures that women are not to teach men in the church and I believe in male pastorship. We must also realize that Scripture tells us that women are to pray and prophesy - and that involves speech and so the "silence" does not mean that a woman never opens her mouth. We must understand it as a disruption, a taking of authority and a usurping, as the Scriptures tell us.

JoReba - You've been asked directly a few times: Are you married? I'll ask a few more questions: How long have you been married? Is your marriage successful? Would your husband "praise you at the gates"? Does his heart fully trust in you? I'd really love to see the answers to these questions.

Ann, I was waiting for Jo to answer from the scripture concerning prayer, prophesying, etc by women , but I believe you are correct.

Also, I would like Jo to answer (give her take - which would not be a formal teaching experience) about Deborah and Hulda.

But now that I have mentioned it what do you think about these female "prophets"?

Why did God allow them to prophesy and lead the armies of Israel into battle?


HankD
 

annsni

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Ann, I was waiting for Jo to answer from the scripture concerning prayer, prophesying, etc by women , but I believe you are correct.

Also, I would like Jo to answer (give her take - which would not be a formal teaching experience) about Deborah and Hulda.

But now that I have mentioned it what do you think about these female "prophets"?

Why did God allow them to prophesy and lead the armies of Israel into battle?


HankD

Deborah was pretty clear. She went with Barak but she didn't lead the army on her own.

But Huldah didn't lead Israel into battle that I can see in the Scriptures. She just prophesied.
 

JoReba

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WOW! Just wow!

1. Are you saying my parenting has absolutely no effect on my son's spiritual life? Why did God give us Deuteronomy 6 and tell us to teach and train our children about God? Why does Proverbs say to "train up a child in the way he should go?" Eph. says "Fathers, do not provoke your children to anger, but bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord."

-Are you saying Wives cannot obey Galatians 6:1? If they are spiritual, and the husband is caught in a sin, is it not her responsibility to work toward his correction and restoration?

2. Acts 18:24 Now a Jew named Apollos, a native of Alexandria, came to Ephesus. He was an eloquent man, icompetent in the Scriptures. 25 He had been instructed in the way of the Lord. And being fervent in spirit,7 he spoke and taught accurately the things concerning Jesus, though he knew only lthe baptism of John.
26 He began to speak boldly in the synagogue, but when Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they took him aside and explained to him nthe way of God more accurately.


-There is NO indication in these verses that Priscilla did anything wrong here. There IS a Biblical record of her and her husband teaching Apollos, and that apollos ministry was fruitful after this teaching.

Let's review the actual words of scripture, and the actual words I wrote in response to your excellent questions. This would be for the sake of parsing out the difference between words and what human imagination would want to insert between the words.

Have you aver observed anyone who compulsively "reads in between the lines" without first reading the lines themselves ... ? I have quite often. Perhaps just for fun and giggles you might look for and identify a few of your friends and acquantances who do that. Of course you might want to refrain from saying anything about it to them, but just smile and be "nice" so that they do not get upset and afraid. And, please remember here I am not teaching you anything. I am just being a source for you to experience:

1.) Information.
2.) Suggestions.
3.) Chatty notions.
4.) A gentle reminder.
5.) A possible insight into human thought processes.
6.) An opportunity to build a relationship with God's Word.

If you do not like any of this, please remember I will not be going to Hell because of your aversive response. As well, if you do indeed like what I am doing here for you, then God will reward me in Heaven for helping to minister to The Body of Christ. Don't we worship and serve a Great God? Yes, We do!

I did not say your words and relationship with your son have "absolutely no effect" on his Faith. I did say in effect his Faith and eternal relationship with God is between God and him. Try not to exaggerate. Thank you.

Yes, Deuteronomy, Proverbs, and Ephesians do give you instructions for your son's upbringing in The Lord, but your son's Salvation is apart from you and your effects upon him. There is no place in Scripture which says a father can ruin the appointed Salvation of any child. God bless your mind and your heart as you learn to accept God's Word for today.

Regarding a wife who has a husband in sin, Apostle Peter clearly teaches in Ch. 3 Vss. 1-2 KJV:

"Ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that is any obey not the word, they also without the word be won by the behavior of the wives; while they behold your chaste behavior coupled with fear."

Does this help you to understand how to keep from railing against or bossily controlling your husband when he is not perfectly obedient to God? It should. Praise the Lord for His advice to wives which is clear and needs no modification.

Apparently, Apostle Paul had not yet corrected Priscilla about teaching men. I am sure people were praying for Priscilla as she grew in The Lord. Isn't The Body precious as it loves those in service to God? Isn't God Gracious not to judge Priscilla within Scripture, but rather let her move towards maturity as she was able to accept it? God is so Gracious, isn't He?

I love your questions and willingness to understand Scripture. Thanks for sharing.
 

JoReba

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"our nice house"? So are you a wife Jo?

Seeing that you have a gift with scripture and your freedom in expounding your interpretation thereof, I am beginning to wonder about your own advice RE: "silence", when it comes to the man in your own life (should there be one).

:)

HankD

Do you recommend that I remain silent before my spouse as Apostle Paul specifies in I Timothy Ch. 2?

Remember, I have "interpreted" no Scripture because it is not possible to do so. "Interpretation" of Scripture is never spoken of in Scripture. Check for yourself, rather than believe what I just said. Men need to be the ones to verify Truth.

Okay? I am waiting for your authoritative answer and loving response with Godly surety and exquisite relevance. Thank you in advance.

Praise God for the Real Men in His Body who can stand up and deliver what they claim to be able to do as men. Halluleujah.
 

HankD

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Deborah was pretty clear. She went with Barak but she didn't lead the army on her own.

But Huldah didn't lead Israel into battle that I can see in the Scriptures. She just prophesied.

Well that was the point, Barak wouldn't go without her and he said so, she was his "right hand man" being both a prophetess and judge in Israel.

Every man was doing what was right in his own eyes.

God allowed it because there was a shortage of courageous men - there was a breach of leadership.

Perhaps similar conditions prevail today.
There just aren't enough faithful men (and women have to fill the gap)?

But thank the Lord for those faithful and willing men we do have.

HankD
 

abcgrad94

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I sense a troll among us.

Yep, and I'm pretty sure this troll has been here before under another username, as the posting style is the same.

Praise the Lord for giving us the wonderful gift of discernment to sense the works of ungodliness in the form of BB trolls. Hallelujah, praise his holy name! Amen.

lol.

:smilewinkgrin:
 

Alive in Christ

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However nice and wifely this may appear, such a teaching or practice is not demonstrated in Scripture within a Godly marriage. In fact, Scripture clearly states that a woman is to learn in silence, is not to attempt to usurp the authority of a man, and is not to teach a man.

Praise God for the utility and practical value of His Written Word as we conform our innermost thoughts to it, and leave the popularized notions of the World. Amen.

This is so completly and ridiculously off base, and flat out wrong. I just blows me away when this kind of thinking is articulated.

Very saddening.
 

JoReba

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Deborah was pretty clear. She went with Barak but she didn't lead the army on her own.

But Huldah didn't lead Israel into battle that I can see in the Scriptures. She just prophesied.

Yes, Thank you Ann.

Neither Deborah or Huldah led anyone. They merely spoke.

Of course, even if Deborah and Huldah could be correctly called "leaders," they would represent extreme exceptions, and not would be normative for all Christian women. Let's pray here that the men will attain Godly Wisdom regarding these and other fairly easy issues:

"Father YWHW, Ann and I come before your Throne to petition that the men in this Forum would receive from you your Godly Wisdom in all their postings, and that they would easily see any error of their thoughts. Please cleanse them of chatty and popularized "Churchy Sounding Ideas" which are not found in Scripture. thank you Precious Lord for your promise to give your Wisdom as recorded for us in Jmaes 1:5.

Bless your Name today and forever. In Jesus Name we request this, Amen."
 

mont974x4

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Nice shuffle, Jo. So they did not directly lead anyone (in your opinion, anyways). They could not both be silent and prophesy.

At least your consistent in both twisting Scripture and what people post here. I pray you learn submission easier than most.
 

JoReba

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Wow - yet Paul applauded her. Hmmmm.

Yes. Perhaps Paul was suffering from head trauma after all of his beatings. Or, perhaps a minor stroke.

Let's go ahead and assume Priscilla was indeed qualified and commissioned to teach men. Was she an extreme exception for women? Or, was she normative for today's women? Your answer with Wisdom and clarity would be ... ? (Hint: make a decision. Lol.)

Always ready to be a "helper." Praise God for His Loving Power and Wisdom unto the weakest vessels. Lol.
 

JoReba

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Yes, I believe he meant what he said, but we are also to keep the peace in the local church.

It's a 21st century dilemma.
By even discussing this with you I am compromising what it says.

Now what is your take on the account of Deborah and Hulda, prophetesses of the Lord?

HankD

What does "keeping the peace in the local church" have to do with following God's Word in I Timothy Ch. 2?

Remember, The World tries to "relate everything to everything" in order to find "reasons" to justify ignoring the specificity of God's Written Word for us today. We are to be in The World, but not of The World.
 

DHK

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Do you recommend that I remain silent before my spouse as Apostle Paul specifies in I Timothy Ch. 2?

Remember, I have "interpreted" no Scripture because it is not possible to do so. "Interpretation" of Scripture is never spoken of in Scripture. Check for yourself, rather than believe what I just said. Men need to be the ones to verify Truth.

Okay? I am waiting for your authoritative answer and loving response with Godly surety and exquisite relevance. Thank you in advance.
I will give you an answer to that if you like:

2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
 

Arbo

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Entertaining thread.

At the castle, I rule the roost; but Mrs. Arbo rules the rooster. The policy has saved us many headaches and many dollars. :smilewinkgrin:
 

Martin Marprelate

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Please step up with facts of Scripture about these ideas of a wife "counseling" her husband, having him "bounce ideas off of her," and the wife not being silent.

Praise God we can always return to His Written Word for the facts. Amen.
Indeed! Try Gen 21:10-12 & Judges 13:22-23.

Steve
 

michael-acts17:11

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JoReba's true nature is revealed in her refusal to answer questions concerning her own life. She's awfully preachy for a silent, submissive woman. Maybe she is ultra-silent & submissive at home, and this is her way of acting out against other men. Oh well, I'll keep watching & hold my breath till she gives an answer for her own marital status.:rolleyes:


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