A Common Mistake In Christian Marriages.

[JoReba]

This is so completly and ridiculously off base, and flat out wrong. I just blows me away when this kind of thinking is articulated.

Very saddening.

Do you believe Apostle Paul was right or wrong in I Timothy 2? Do you not want the Word of God to blow you away? Afraid ... ?

Lol.

 

[mandym]

Do you believe Apostle Paul was right or wrong in I Timothy 2? Do you not want the Word of God to blow you away? Afraid ... ?

Lol.

A trollish comment.

 

[JoReba]

Nice shuffle, Jo. So they did not directly lead anyone (in your opinion, anyways). They could not both be silent and prophesy.

At least your consistent in both twisting Scripture and what people post here. I pray you learn submission easier than most.

Slow down, Big Guy. Tap the brakes. Lol.

Deborah did not teach or lead anyone. She merely vocalized what God told her to say. Are you perhaps unable to distinguish between "teaching" and "prophesy?" Scripture does.

Lol.

 

[JoReba]

I will give you an answer to that if you like:

2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Yes, It is simple to follow your thinking, here.

Go ahead and state what you think I have "wrested," and how you think it is my "destruction" to do so. Lol. Step up and deliver what you advertise.

Praise God for His strength he promises to those who serve Him, and His disfavor to those who merely scoff without teaching. Lol. Now that you think you have identified an error, speak up with the truth about I Timothy Ch. 2.

I await your manly leadership, and Godly discernment. Bless you in your work.

 

[Amy.G]

A four-month-old, thirty pound pistol of a lap dog. A real joy she is.

Thanks for asking.

I'm happy for you! Puppies are WONDERFUL! Even if they ARE a lap full! Both of my dogs love mama's lap, but they don't weigh 30 lbs together! :laugh: One is 15 lbs and one is 7 lbs, both spoiled rotten!

 

[DHK]

Yes, It is simple to follow your thinking, here.

Go ahead and state what you think I have "wrested," and how you think it is my "destruction" to do so. Lol. Step up and deliver what you advertise.

Praise God for His strength he promises to those who serve Him, and His disfavor to those who merely scoff without teaching. Lol. Now that you think you have identified an error, speak up with the truth about I Timothy Ch. 2.

I await your manly leadership, and Godly discernment. Bless you in your work.

Yes. Perhaps Paul was suffering from head trauma after all of his beatings. Or, perhaps a minor stroke.

This is an offensive statement, and if that is your opinion of the Apostle Paul, I really don't have much time for you.

Let's go ahead and assume Priscilla was indeed qualified and commissioned to teach men.

I don't assume.
The Bible says that a woman cannot have authority over a man; that she cannot teach man. Case closed.

Was she an extreme exception for women?

No, and that is why you don't assume. You simply obey the Scriptures.

Or, was she normative for today's women? Your answer with Wisdom and clarity would be ... ?

Learn the Word, and obey it.

 

[Arbo]

JoReba's true nature is revealed in her refusal to answer questions concerning her own life. She's awfully preachy for a silent, submissive woman. Maybe she is ultra-silent & submissive at home, and this is her way of acting out against other men. Oh well, I'll keep watching & hold my breath till she gives an answer for her own marital status.

So would it be reasonable to consider an unmarried individual who's lecturing about marriage a hypocrite?

The refusal to answer is a tell that there's something to hide.

 

[12strings]

Let's review the actual words of scripture, and the actual words I wrote in response to your excellent questions. This would be for the sake of parsing out the difference between words and what human imagination would want to insert between the words.

Have you aver observed anyone who compulsively "reads in between the lines" without first reading the lines themselves ... ? I have quite often. Perhaps just for fun and giggles you might look for and identify a few of your friends and acquantances who do that. Of course you might want to refrain from saying anything about it to them, but just smile and be "nice" so that they do not get upset and afraid. And, please remember here I am not teaching you anything. I am just being a source for you to experience:

1.) Information.
2.) Suggestions.
3.) Chatty notions.
4.) A gentle reminder.
5.) A possible insight into human thought processes.
6.) An opportunity to build a relationship with God's Word.

If you do not like any of this, please remember I will not be going to Hell because of your aversive response. As well, if you do indeed like what I am doing here for you, then God will reward me in Heaven for helping to minister to The Body of Christ. Don't we worship and serve a Great God? Yes, We do!

I did not say your words and relationship with your son have "absolutely no effect" on his Faith. I did say in effect his Faith and eternal relationship with God is between God and him. Try not to exaggerate. Thank you.

Yes, Deuteronomy, Proverbs, and Ephesians do give you instructions for your son's upbringing in The Lord, but your son's Salvation is apart from you and your effects upon him. There is no place in Scripture which says a father can ruin the appointed Salvation of any child. God bless your mind and your heart as you learn to accept God's Word for today.[/QUOTE]

1. You are correct that you are not teaching me anything, but you are attempting to teach me something...and the fact that you cannot recognize that is very sad.

2. It is YOU who read between the lines of my post to assume I was saying that I would affect my son's eternal salvation by yelling at him. I simply said i would do long-term damage to his view of God (not eternal, just and undefined long-term...which is definitly possible If I yell at him and tell him untrue things about God for the first 10 years of his life. God may chose to save him despite all my failings, of course.

Regarding a wife who has a husband in sin, Apostle Peter clearly teaches in Ch. 3 Vss. 1-2 KJV:

"Ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that is any obey not the word, they also without the word be won by the behavior of the wives; while they behold your chaste behavior coupled with fear."

Does this help you to understand how to keep from railing against or bossily controlling your husband when he is not perfectly obedient to God? It should. Praise the Lord for His advice to wives which is clear and needs no modification.

1. Yes, these verses only speak of quiet influence, but others speak of women prophesying, asking their husbands at home to clarify what they heard at at church, and treat all believers with care and sometimes correction. And so when verses sometimes seem at first glance to conflict, we must use wisdom, and (you guessed it) interpretation! ...so that we don't think that the rest of scripture has no bearing on what a particular passage says.

2. If I had a husband, then treating him with submission would be the least of my worries, since that would mean I was in violation of Romans 1 and some leviticus passges that speak of such things :laugh:

Apparently, Apostle Paul had not yet corrected Priscilla about teaching men. I am sure people were praying for Priscilla as she grew in The Lord. Isn't The Body precious as it loves those in service to God? Isn't God Gracious not to judge Priscilla within Scripture, but rather let her move towards maturity as she was able to accept it? God is so Gracious, isn't He?

I love your questions and willingness to understand Scripture. Thanks for sharing.

Your views on priscilla are pure speculation, and are not simply declaring God's word to us, as you purport to do, so here you are indeed trying to teach me something.

 

[michael-acts17:11]

So would it be reasonable to consider an unmarried individual who's lecturing about marriage a hypocrite?

The refusal to answer is a tell that there's something to hide.

Not a hypocrite, just a novice in the things which the individual is claiming to have wisdom. A young, unmarried person does not have the maturity of years, wisdom of experience, nor the depth of understanding to teach his/her elders on how a marriage should be properly conducted. It is arrogant for such a person to attempt to teach those of us with successful marriages & adult children how we should conduct ourselves. I can't help but wonder how JoReba would be handled if she attempted such behavior in Christ's day; hiding her true marital identity.

So, you agree that JoReba's refusal to answer is an acknowledgement that she has something to hide. Glad to hear it.

 

[Arbo]

Not a hypocrite, just a novice in the things which the individual is claiming to have wisdom. A young, unmarried person does not have the maturity of years, wisdom of experience, nor the depth of understanding to teach his/her elders on how a marriage should be properly conducted. It is arrogant for such a person to attempt to teach those of us with successful marriages & adult children how we should conduct ourselves. I can't help but wonder how JoReba would be handled if she attempted such behavior in Christ's day; hiding her true marital identity.

So, you agree that JoReba's refusal to answer is an acknowledgement that she has something to hide. Glad to hear it.

Better said than my post.:thumbsup:

 

[annsni]

Yes. Perhaps Paul was suffering from head trauma after all of his beatings. Or, perhaps a minor stroke.

Let's go ahead and assume Priscilla was indeed qualified and commissioned to teach men. Was she an extreme exception for women? Or, was she normative for today's women? Your answer with Wisdom and clarity would be ... ? (Hint: make a decision. Lol.)

Always ready to be a "helper." Praise God for His Loving Power and Wisdom unto the weakest vessels. Lol.

Hint: circumstances/location

 

[annsni]

Yes, Thank you Ann.

Neither Deborah or Huldah led anyone. They merely spoke.

Of course, even if Deborah and Huldah could be correctly called "leaders," they would represent extreme exceptions, and not would be normative for all Christian women. Let's pray here that the men will attain Godly Wisdom regarding these and other fairly easy issues:

"Father YWHW, Ann and I come before your Throne to petition that the men in this Forum would receive from you your Godly Wisdom in all their postings, and that they would easily see any error of their thoughts. Please cleanse them of chatty and popularized "Churchy Sounding Ideas" which are not found in Scripture. thank you Precious Lord for your promise to give your Wisdom as recorded for us in Jmaes 1:5.

Bless your Name today and forever. In Jesus Name we request this, Amen."

Do not bring me into your trolling.

 

[michael-acts17:11]

My wife thinks JoReba is really an unmarried young man who will remain single for quite some time. I will mutually submit to her feminine wisdom on this one.

 

[annsni]

JoReba's true nature is revealed in her refusal to answer questions concerning her own life. She's awfully preachy for a silent, submissive woman. Maybe she is ultra-silent & submissive at home, and this is her way of acting out against other men. Oh well, I'll keep watching & hold my breath till she gives an answer for her own marital status.

Quite chatty too!!

 

[annsni]

My wife thinks JoReba is really an unmarried young man who will remain single for quite some time. I will mutually submit to her feminine wisdom on this one.

I say your wife is filled with great wisdom....

 

[michael-acts17:11]

I say your wife is filled with great wisdom....

She, Nancy, says thank you.

 

[Arbo]

"Father YWHW, Ann and I come before your Throne to petition that the men in this Forum would receive from you your Godly Wisdom in all their postings, and that they would easily see any error of their thoughts. Please cleanse them of chatty and popularized "Churchy Sounding Ideas" which are not found in Scripture. thank you Precious Lord for your promise to give your Wisdom as recorded for us in Jmaes 1:5.

Bless your Name today and forever. In Jesus Name we request this, Amen."

If this is trolling, it has crossed into the area that is disrespectful of Our Lord's name and is offensive.

 

[annsni]

If this is trolling, it has crossed into the area that is disrespectful of Our Lord's name and is offensive.

I fully agree.......

 

[Arbo]

 

[Alive in Christ]

JoReba...

What is more important:

1.) Great human insights?

2.) Or, God's direct commands from Scripture?

The scripture directly commands you to be submissive and keep silent.

What are you doing "speaking" all over these discussion boards?