A moment of silence for the first amendment

[Scott Downey]

“but no human being can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison. With it we bless our Lord and Father, and with it we curse people who are made in the likeness of God. From the same mouth come blessing and cursing. My brothers, these things ought not to be so.” - James‬ ‭3:8-10‬ ‭ESV‬‬

 

[Use of Time]

So what

Oh these are just people whose opinion actually carry weight unlike you. Now please go bury your head back in the sand. Some of us actually want things to improve in this country. You wouldn’t understand because you, like the President are focused on division.

 

[Use of Time]

Police officers in Asheville destroy medical station near protest

 

[Adonia]

Here ya go:

“The privileges and immunities of U.S. citizenship that cannot be unreasonably abridged by state laws include the right to travel from state to state; the right to vote for federal officeholders; the right to enter public lands; the right to petition Congress to redress grievances; the right to inform the national government of a violation of its laws; the right to receive protection from violence when in federal custody; the right to have free access to U.S. seaports; the right to transact business with and engage in administering the functions of the U.S. government; the right to have access to federal courts; and the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus.”

Privileges and Immunities

That’s all I know to do for you. Have a good day.

So once again we have an amendment to the Federal Constitution, (and thus the Federal entity), dictating how states are to treat each others citizens. Fine, I agree. Now that does not invalidate the requirement that all the states in turn must treat their citizens IN ACCORDANE WITH all the other amendments of the U.S. Constitution.

Have a wonderful day.

 

[Adonia]

Yes, that's what I would expect the wording to indicate, and it seems readily interpreted that way. And further, it specifies both immunities and privileges.

I asked KH this Q once before, but did not notice any response, which made me think he doesn't have a good, plausible answer that would support his own position.

It looks like KH answers this in post #78. Well, what he posts sounds just fine to me and nothing he posted invalidates all the other Federal constitutional amendments that the states must adhere to. We are making progress with our friend and that is a good thing.

 

[Calminian]

... It is impressive how Trump can so easily make a mockery of the Bible and the US Constitution all in one photo op.....

It's impressive how you can be in such denial about your TDS. It affects every part of your brain.

Trump did a very good thing standing up for that Church.

 

[Adonia]

You wouldn’t understand because you, like the President are focused on division.

Where is the President focused on division? From the outset of the killing of Mr. Floyd, President Trump has offered the full cooperation of the Federal government in seeking justice for him and his family as regards any Federal statutes that are applicable to this case.

I am really getting sick and tired of people like you saying it's the President's fault for any divisions in America.. From day one, heck, before he was even sworn in, the "resistance" was set in motion by people who opposed him. It not only included celebrities and others, but the outgoing administration who engaged in the worst possible turnover from one administration to the next.. As the evidence shows, they were actually spying on the incoming President - a totally unprecedented action in the annals of our country.

President Trump sees all the violence happening and wants to stop it. How many times does he have to say that he supports "peaceful" demonstrations by the people, not the violence and anarchy that has actually happened. Democrat governors and Mayors for some odd reason just do not want to act to quell the violence.

 

[Gold Dragon]

Military Leaders Send Missives to Troops: ‘Stay True’ to the American People

“Every member of the U.S. military swears an oath to support and defend the Constitution and the values embedded within it,” Gen. Milley wrote in his memo, disclosed Wednesday, adding the Constitution “gives Americans the right to freedom of speech and peaceful assembly.”

In a handwritten note at the bottom of his memo, he wrote: “We all committed our lives to the idea that is America. We will stay true to that oath and the American people.”

Murkowski praises Mattis denouncement but stops short of disavowing Trump - Alaska Public Media

“I thought General Mattis’s words were true and honest and necessary and overdue,”
...
“I felt like perhaps we’re getting to the point where we can be more honest with the concerns that we might hold internally, and have the courage of our own convictions to speak up,” she told reporters. “And so, I’m working as one individual to form the right words, knowing that these words really matter.”
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Then a reporter asked if she could still support Trump.
“I am struggling with it. I have struggled with it for a long time”

[URL="https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/501199-romney-mattis-statement-stunning-and-powerful"]Romney: Mattis statement 'stunning and powerful'[/URL]

Gen. Mattis’s letter was stunning and powerful. Gen. Mattis is a man of extraordinary sacrifice. He's an American patriot. He's an individual whose judgment I respect, and I think the world of him.

 

[Calminian]

Military Leaders Send Missives to Troops: ‘Stay True’ to the American People



Murkowski praises Mattis denouncement but stops short of disavowing Trump - Alaska Public Media



Romney: Mattis statement 'stunning and powerful'

"Probably the only thing Barack Obama & I have in common is that we both had the honor of firing Jim Mattis, the world’s most overrated General. I asked for his letter of resignation, & felt great about it. His nickname was “Chaos”, which I didn’t like, & changed to “Mad Dog”... ...His primary strength was not military, but rather personal public relations. I gave him a new life, things to do, and battles to win, but he seldom “brought home the bacon”. I didn’t like his “leadership” style or much else about him, and many others agree. Glad he is gone!" -- @realDonaldTrump

Love Trump.

 

[Adonia]

Romney: Mattis statement 'stunning and powerful'

I don't think much of him. He ran his presidential campaign like he was running for the leadership of the Girl Scouts. The end result was a second term for Obama.

Military Leaders Send Missives to Troops: ‘Stay True’ to the American People

No one here has said Americans should not have the right to protest "peacefully" as per the U.S. Constitution, but you must have your head in the sand if you are not aware of the anarchist groups that co=opted the protests and were bent on causing mayhem. How Mr. Mattis or General Milley is not aware of that reality is beyond me.

Murkowski praises Mattis denouncement but stops short of disavowing Trump - Alaska Public Media

Another RINO whom I have little use for. When she was rejected by the Republican Party in her own state to be the standard bearer for Senator, she goes third party and mucks it up for the Republican state primary winner. People like her just cannot let go of the power that goes along with being a Federal elected official.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Here ya go:

“The privileges and immunities of U.S. citizenship that cannot be unreasonably abridged by state laws include the right to travel from state to state; the right to vote for federal officeholders; the right to enter public lands; the right to petition Congress to redress grievances; the right to inform the national government of a violation of its laws; the right to receive protection from violence when in federal custody; the right to have free access to U.S. seaports; the right to transact business with and engage in administering the functions of the U.S. government; the right to have access to federal courts; and the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus.”

Privileges and Immunities

That’s all I know to do for you. Have a good day.

It looks like KH answers this in post #78. Well, what he posts sounds just fine to me and nothing he posted invalidates all the other Federal constitutional amendments that the states must adhere to. We are making progress with our friend and that is a good thing.

Yes, I’ll have to think about that, but obviously many legal minds have already determined what it should mean in many cases, regardless of what it says. Why am I not surprised?

Right now, the argument for application seems quite circular. No state shall attempt to prevent citizens from exercising the privileges and immunities of US citizens, and those privileges and immunities are those of the state’s citizens, which also include the privileges and immunities of US citizens….

 

[Gold Dragon]

but you must have your head in the sand if you are not aware of the anarchist groups that co=opted the protests and were bent on causing mayhem. How Mr. Mattis or General Milley is not aware of that reality is beyond me.

We are all aware of the narrative that Trump and his mouthpieces are trying to paint with a broad brush about all the protests, to justify to those who believe him unquestioningly why he can ignore the US constitution.

 

[Use of Time]

"Probably the only thing Barack Obama & I have in common is that we both had the honor of firing Jim Mattis, the world’s most overrated General. I asked for his letter of resignation, & felt great about it. His nickname was “Chaos”, which I didn’t like, & changed to “Mad Dog”... ...His primary strength was not military, but rather personal public relations. I gave him a new life, things to do, and battles to win, but he seldom “brought home the bacon”. I didn’t like his “leadership” style or much else about him, and many others agree. Glad he is gone!" -- @realDonaldTrump

Love Trump.

Go join him and cower in his bunker with him then. He didn’t even fire Mattis. Has to lie about that too. Can’t stop.

 

[Revmitchell]

We are all aware of the narrative that Trump and his mouthpieces are trying to paint with a broad brush about all the protests, to justify to those who believe him unquestioningly why he can ignore the US constitution.

You have no idea who is ignoring the constitution.

 

[Adonia]

We are all aware of the narrative that Trump and his mouthpieces are trying to paint with a broad brush about all the protests, to justify to those who believe him unquestioningly why he can ignore the US constitution.

Nobody needs to paint things with a broad brush, just go look at all of the videos out there. The main stream media won't even tell the nation the truth about what has been happening. NBC had a reporter and news crew that was attacked by the "protestors", they never reported the story themselves.

 

[Gold Dragon]

It is very telling and concerning to me that the Secretary of Defense (Esper) and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (Milley) have both made public statements implying they are worried about how the military is going to be used in the future against Americans.

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/04/aclu-lawsuit-trump-protesters-church-white-house

The American Civil Liberties Union and other civil rights groups are suing Donald Trump, William Barr and other federal officials over the assault on peaceful protesters near the White House on Monday, to allow the president to hold a photo op at a historic church.

According to a release from the ACLU of the District of Columbia, the lawsuit filed on behalf of Black Lives Matter DC and individual protesters accuses Trump and the other officials are accused of “violating their constitutional rights and engaging in an unlawful conspiracy to violate those rights”.

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The events in and around Lafayette Square on Monday night have contributed to a growing rift in US society and even within the US military. Trump was accompanied to the church by officials including Mark Esper, the secretary of defense, and Gen Mark Milley, the chair of the joint chiefs of staff.

Esper has said he had not known the president was intending to hold a photo op. But senior figures including the former defense secretary and marine corps general James Mattis, the former JCOS chair admiral Mike Mullen and the former marine corps general John Allen, a former US commander against Isis and in Afghanistan, have expressed their disgust with both the stuntand the military’s participation in it.

 

[Gold Dragon]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2020/06/02/trump-catholic-shrine-church-bible-protesters/

Trump’s appearances in front of St. John’s and at the shrine were seen as attempts to appeal to his conservative evangelical and Catholic voting base. Both appearances were met with fierce condemnation by religious progressives — and also concern from some religious conservatives.

“The Bible is a book we should hold only with fear and trembling, given to us that in it we might find eternal life,” J.D. Greear, president of the Southern Baptist Convention said in a statement to the Washington Post. “Our only agenda should be to advance God’s kingdom, proclaim his gospel, or find rest for our souls.”

Russell Moore, the president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Religious Liberty and Ethics Convention, said in a statement that he was “brokenhearted and alarmed."

"For me, the Bible is the Word of the living God, and should be treated with reverence and awe,” he said, adding that Americans should listen to what the Bible says about the preciousness of human life, the sins of racism and injustice and the need for safety and calm and justice in the civil arena.


“The murder of African-American citizens, who bear the image of God, is morally wrong,” Moore said. “Violence against others and destruction of others’ property is morally wrong. Pelting people with rubber bullets and spraying them with tear gas for peacefully protesting is morally wrong.”

Trump risks backlash from evangelicals with "tone-deaf" Bible photo-op - CNNPolitics

"What he did comes off as tone-deaf," said Costi Hinn, a conservative evangelical pastor and author in Arizona. "The word of God is not powerful in a picture. It's powerful when it's opened up. If you really want to leverage the power of God's word, let it be heard."
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Hinn said that while he and others in his community appreciate the advances the Trump administration has made on issues that evangelicals care about, the moment requires "balance" and listening on the part of leaders, including the President.

"No politician should peddle religion for any purpose whatsoever, and when I see our President grab a Bible and do a photo op, while I'm encouraged that he wants to make a statement and that he's standing with the church, I want to see the same President go and meet with leaders of the black community, and take a photo with them to show them he is in unity with them," Hinn said.

 

[Gold Dragon]

This article has video evidence of tear gas (CS) as well as pepper spray gas (OC) cannisters used and the reporters picking up the cannisters afterwards even though all the police groups are denying they used them.

No law enforcement agency admits to using tear gas Monday, but tear gas canisters were found at the scene

As of Thursday evening, US Park Police, Arlington Police, DC Metro Police and the Secret Service have all denied using any kind of tear gas in Lafayette Square Monday evening.

But federal law enforcement did launch tear gas Monday evening outside Lafayette Park, and WUSA9 crews witnessed it.


Here's a first-person perspective of what WUSA9 reporter Nathan Baca saw himself:

WUSA9 cameras were at the fence line near the Northwest corner of Lafayette Square Park. At around 6:15 p.m., we heard two bullhorn addresses from the direction of federal police. We could not make out what they said, and by appearance, none of the protesters could either. US Park Police said they gave three verbal warnings to clear H Street before the mayor's 7:00 p.m. curfew.

Our crew also witnessed nothing but peaceful protester behavior, even with our unique 15-foot-high camera position.

 

[Gold Dragon]

So we have the USPP admitting teargas but not CS or CN was used and Arlington police admitting that the protestors were peaceful and not given enough time to disperse. There is video evidence of all this as well as evidence that one of the police forces is lying about using CS and OC gas cannisters and incontrovertible evidence that the USPP acting chief is lying. Also video evidence of media being assaulted.

Where are all the defenders of the Constitution and 1st ammemdment? This is not a cake we are talking about. Why is a canadian australian the only one here talking about this?

Vote for Trump if you want. Encourage law and order. End looting and rioting.

But never let the US Constitution be disrespected like this by a leader again.

 

[Use of Time]

Everyone will now disappear from this thread because they are unable to address what contradicts their worldview. Myopic.