A No Win Situation for the United States in 2024 Presidential Election

[JonC]

The best outcome is a Trump win, but a win in a landslide as that would force the DNC back to a more moderate party.

As it stands the DNC is increasingly moving towards expanding federal government control over its citizens, which I believe is a bad thing.

Then the issue will be the GOP moving back to traditional GOP values.

 

[JonC]

A problem with Trump's plan is financing big government while giving so many tax breaks. This is solved with his foreign policy (not giving tax payers money to foreign interests and not becoming involved in "endless wars" that have little interest for the US).

A problem with Harris is that she is planning on increasing big government, increasing government expenses and programs, increasing the involvement of the US in world conflicts while not increasing taxes on most Americans. Her plan is to tax the large employers, corporations, and unrealized capital gains to generate income.


Trump seeks to decrease the size and influence of the federal government.

Harris seeks to increase the size of big government.



The questions are:

1. Can Trump really draw back big government as those powers (like defense contractors) hold a big stick?

2. Can Harris grow Big Government and fund foreign wars without increasing taxes in general, and can Harris' attempt to do so not destroy the economy?

 

[MMDAN]

President Trump is a huge win for the US.

Harris is a colossal disaster.

Amen! Kamala Harris is running on a campaign of hope. She has hope that we forgot about the last 3 1/2 years.

 

[Logos1560]

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[Reynolds]

This 2024 presidential election between the Republicans and the Democrats is like a football game where the offense on a 3 down and 5 yards to go has two options:

1) A running play where a fumble results in a scoop-and-score for the defense.

2) A passing play where an interception results in a pick-6 for the defense.

Either way, the United States is gonna be in really, really bad shape; there will not be a unicorn in everyone’s backyard and a rainbow over everyone’s house, regardless of what Donald Trump or Kamala Harris tell you.

Trump would be a huge win.

 

[KenH]

Trump would be a huge win.

That is your opinion. My opinion is that Trump's National Conservative acolytes would use him winning to set up a dictatorship for him to be the head of and attempt to end the United States as a representative republic.

 

[JonC]

That is your opinion. My opinion is that Trump's National Conservative acolytes would use him winning to set up a dictatorship for him to be the head of and attempt to end the United States as a representative republic.

Nah. That's what the sheeple said before, but it didn't happen.

They would, however, try to gain control of all branches. While by definition not a dictatorship it would be a one party rulership.

But that's what the Democrats want for themselves as well. Each sides wants to destroy the competing voice.

Here the DNC is more problematic as they have advocated government censorship (with the party in control determining "truth").

To be fair, Republicans want the same thing. They are just not quite as extreme as the DNC.....yet.

 

[KenH]

Nah. That's what the [pejorative deleted] said before, but it didn't happen.

The difference is that the Republicans were in the Trump administration the first time around were not radicals. The second time around those who were the guardrails would not be a part of a Trump administration. Instead, it would be chockful of National Conservative radicals who lust for power and, if gained, refuse to give it up willingly. Some Trump supporters can bury their heads in the sand all they want about Project 2025, but it is those associated with Project 2025 who would fill a second Trump administration. Look who Trump admires as leaders - Putin, Orban, Kim Jong Un.

 

[Logos1560]

My opinion is that Trump's National Conservative acolytes would use him winning to set up a dictatorship for him to be the head of and attempt to end the United States as a representative republic.

Your opinion is unlikely. Trump would nominate conservative judges, which would be more likely to follow the U. S. constitution than the liberal judges, which Harris would nominate.

Kamala Harris is just as much a threat to act as a dictator, using executive orders to try to legislate and rule. Kamala Harris is also a severe threat to religious liberty or First Amendment rights of Christians.

 

[KenH]

Your opinion is unlikely.

I have no idea whom God has ordained to be the next president of the United States. God is absolutely, totally sovereign. Voting is simply a means He uses for humans to bring about his purposes and glory, according to His sovereign will.

 

[JonC]

The difference is that the Republicans were in the Trump administration the first time around were not radicals. The second time around those who were the guardrails would not be a part of a Trump administration. Instead, it would be chockful of National Conservative radicals who lust for power and, if gained, refuse to give it up willingly. Some Trump supporters can bury their heads in the sand all they want about Project 2025, but it is those associated with Project 2025 who would fill a second Trump administration. Look who Trump admires as leaders - Putin, Orban, Kim Jong Un.

Trump himself is moderate (that was the problem he had with the GOP 1st time around).

But the DNC is currently engaged in left fascism.

This is evidenced in your concluding statement. Trump has described Putin and Kim Jong Un as intelligent and strategic. The DNC translates this as admiration. That is fascist propaganda.

Trump's point was actually that Biden and then Harris cannot deal on the world stage (they are not equipped).

And Trump has criticized project 2025 (most Republicans have).

Harris has also said Trump will ban abortions (something some Republicans would like, but something Trump will not for- his platform is keeping it at the state level).

You fell for propaganda. Most sheeple do, so you shouldn't feel too bad (you simply followed your shepherds). Republicans do the same.

 

[KenH]

All empires come to an end. The United States empire will also come to an end(including if it is Christ returning to get rid of this present heavens and earth, and set up the new heavens and earth wherein dwells righteousness). The only questions are when and how the United States empire comes to an end.

 

[KenH]

You fell for propaganda. Most [pejorative deleted] do, so you shouldn't feel too bad (you simply followed your shepherds).

Nope. I am one of Christ's sheep. Christ is my Shepherd. I follow Him.

 

[JonC]

Right now we have one party (the DNC) that hold to fascist ideologies:

1. Complete party control over government, rewriting to influence the SCOTUS.

2. Government control over what is deemed "truth".

3. Revision of history

4. Governance centered on race

5. Expanding government powers over its citizens

6. Censorship of free-speech.

7. Weaponization of the judicial system

(To name a few)

BUT the GOP is also problematic. The GOP creates a false narrative as well, lies to gain votes as well, misrepresentation opposing political opponents as well, desires complete control of the government as well.

At this moment in time Harris and the DNC is the greater danger, but the GOP is only a decade or so away.

AND that is how Scripture (and history) tells us it will be. That's how the world turns.

 

[Reynolds]

That is your opinion. My opinion is that Trump's National Conservative acolytes would use him winning to set up a dictatorship for him to be the head of and attempt to end the United States as a representative republic.

In my opinion, your opinion is in looney left field.

 

[Paul from Antioch]

In my opinion, your opinion is in looney left field.

U "MAY" B right! .... OTOH, Any one who wants 2 B POTUS is setting him/her up to be grilled 'till day R "Well Done"! Seriously, though, IMHO "some" on BB (Or any other "Net Board"!) forget that every 4 yrs the US of A has his/her/its (!!) chance 2 B a CANDID-"ate"(!! ) 4 POTUS. We due need 2 remember this much: Whoever wins on Nov. is NOT The PASTOR (!!) of the US of A... He/She/it(??) IS the President of the USA. Whoever is inaugurated in Jan of the next year is (AS WE A - - L- - L - are sinners! Let's keep that in mind when we often CON - Demn "Who ever!" "We ALL (U & Me) are SINNERs by nature! If U R looking 4 PURR - FECTION in that person, you'll NOT find it in him/her! There's ONLY ONE who IS "PERFECT" & HE WO'NT B running 4 POTUS!! NOPE He is the "KING of KINGs & LORD of LORDs!!," & THEN (& ONLY then) will see PERFECTION!! .... "Even so, COME LORD JESUS !! ..../s/ P fm A!!

 

[MMDAN]

In my opinion, your opinion is in looney left field.

Exactly. Political projection is a common tactic (trick) used by Trump hating leftists.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

A problem with Trump's plan is financing big government while giving so many tax breaks. This is solved with his foreign policy (not giving tax payers money to foreign interests and not becoming involved in "endless wars" that have little interest for the US).

A problem with Harris is that she is planning on increasing big government, increasing government expenses and programs, increasing the involvement of the US in world conflicts while not increasing taxes on most Americans. Her plan is to tax the large employers, corporations, and unrealized capital gains to generate income.


Trump seeks to decrease the size and influence of the federal government.

Harris seeks to increase the size of big government.



The questions are:

1. Can Trump really draw back big government as those powers (like defense contractors) hold a big stick?

2. Can Harris grow Big Government and fund foreign wars without increasing taxes in general, and can Harris' attempt to do so not destroy the economy?

Harris just said on an MSNBC interview with Stefani Ruhl yesterday that she has to increase taxes… she also promised to not touch Social Security and Medicare. Since the Democrats pretty much killed fracking in PA my checks have dwindled from Hundreds per month to $36.00 dollars. These Dems messed with my monthly income. I don’t believe it’s coming back no matter what she says.

 

[JonC]

Harris just said on an MSNBC interview with Stefani Ruhr yesterday that she has to increase taxes… she also promised to not touch Social Security and Medicare. Since the Democrats pretty much killed fracking in PA my checks have dwindled from Hundreds per month to $36.00 dollars. These Dems messed with my monthly income. I don’t believe it’s coming back no matter what she says.

I don't trust either side. But I like Trump better.

Trump said he will have the government paying for IVF, not tax tips, not tax social security (it wasnt taxed until Reagan's administration), not tax overtime, build the boarder wall, impose tariffs, build a pipeline, lower inflation, hive school vouchers, . . . and lower taxes across the board.

My job has built in overtime. I'd like it not taxed.

But none of these guys math adds up.

I get the feeling each side will just say what they think will get them elected.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

All empires come to an end. The United States empire will also come to an end(including if it is Christ returning to get rid of this present heavens and earth, and set up the new heavens and earth wherein dwells righteousness). The only questions are when and how the United States empire comes to an end.

How did Rome come to an end? They to were flooded with foreigners who drained the resources, were much weaker in the honor & commitment level required to keep an empire going and so the empire exhausted their resources to the fall of Rome