A question about God's justice

Please provide your documentation.

I don't why I am even messing with this ridiculous argueent but this is from the website I provided a link to -

"IN HIS OWN CENTURY— aside from Calvin's personal enemies, like Castellio — the execution of Servetus was generally approved. Among these many voices we mention only one, that of Melanchthon who wrote to Calvin: "The Church of Christ will be grateful to you today as well as in the future . . . your government has proceeded in the death of this blasphemer according to all laws." In other words, Calvin objected to the cruel death sentence; the gentle Wittenberger found it just."

So I guess you have to include all of the people responsible for the break from Roman Catholicism in your slander and you end up defending a man who denied the doctrine of the Trinity and justification by faith.

Great company for you to be included with, Yelsew, if you intend to defend Servetus' theology.

[ April 09, 2003, 08:10 PM: Message edited by: Ken the Spurgeonite ]

 

What in the world are you talking about?

 

The Gospel works by the Spirit...Rom. 1.16; to awaken a faith within the lost, dead and doomed individual. The individual is quickened by the Holy Spirit...John 6.62-64...in there somewhere.

This is the required order; to rely on a dead person to perform in any way a vow before God, is a reliance the Scripture does not speak of.

Thus, we should depart from any hope that man will of himself choose to come to Jesus and give to them the Gospel...per Rom. 1.16; In this way, people are born into the kingdom of God.

God Bless.
Bro. dallas

 

Hi Ken the spurgeonite;

You still haven't shown in Gods word where it says we lost our freewill and yep here I go again.

What's the matter, can't you simply prove your position?

Eph 2: 1-10 does not prove anything with out your rationalization. You take something that is meant as a figure of speech and make a doctrine out of it.

John 3:16 proves my position and I don't have to explain it
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Notice it clearly say's the "world" is who He loves, not just a bunch of Calvinist. It also says "Whosoever" which means anyone.

I can show you more that back's up my position that you can.

I still haven't seen any where in the Bible where it says only Calvinist will be saved. Or that we have no freewill. No where is atonement limited or only the elect is going to be in Heaven. As far as all this there is no place in the Bible that says we will always be saved no matter how much we sin and not forgive our brothers. The Bible does say that God will strike your name from the book of life if you add or take away from His word. Which is what rationalization is.

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[ April 10, 2003, 03:39 PM: Message edited by: Pastor Larry ]

 

Frankly, romanbear, I don't care what you think about the truth or me as it is clear to me that you have no interest in engaging in honest debate.

I have clearly explained my position and you refuse to deal with it. You just keep saying that the Bible doesn't teach that and then engage in pejorative language.

By the way, you're a murderer too - your sinful actions nailed Jesus to the cross.

As did mine.

[ April 10, 2003, 03:40 PM: Message edited by: Pastor Larry ]

 

After regeneration, we are then willing. If the Holy Spirit did not regenerate us, none of us would ever be willing because the Bible teaches us that before regeneration we are spiritually dead. And one who is dead is incapable of movement.

 

Think clearly.

If God makes us willing after He first regenerates a sinner then God has taken away the sinner's responsibility before Almighty God. In this perjurious view, all we have to do is sit around as sinners and wait and see if our name is drawn for everlasting life.

 

You'll need to think clearer than that.

Bro. Dallas

 

Brother Dallas,

How about an honest and responsible answer to post number 1651. If you don't respond I will consider that you don't have any Biblical response as usual.

Respectfully,

Ray

 

Post deleted for being off topic. You have been warned Ray. Talk about theology. Further violations will result in deletion without comment and eventually further action will be taken.

[ April 10, 2003, 03:42 PM: Message edited by: Pastor Larry ]

 

Whose post #1651, yours, mine, or who

Uh-oh, was that my last chance

When I do provide a biblical answer no one (or very few) responds, or they disregard the Bible all together.

Hope this changes, if you want to pretend I don't argue from the Bible that is fine with me.

God Bless.
Bro. Dallas

 

Ray,

You may not have noticed, but the posts are not numbered as such. There is a space that gives the number of posts a person has made, but that number changes as you ad posts, and that change is made on EVERY post a person has ever made. So even your first post is "#whatever".

You're going to have to find another way of referencing posts.

 

Bible-belted,

Thanks for the help. Sometimes on my screen it does not show the date and time of day. I'll try to work with it. Other times it does appear there.

Ray

 

Times show up when we go back and edit a post. I don't know if you want to make a practice of editing all your posts just to get a time to show on scree, though some of us as has been mentioned a time or two, make enough typos that we probably should.

 

Sorry brother Ray,

My post screen shows the time and date of the post, then sometimes as I edit it shows the time and date of edit, sometimes it does not. (edited to see if it works this time).

If you will be kind enough to overlook my earlier response and address the question you wish me to give attention to I will attempt to deal with it.

Sometimes when I post I can see a list of all the posts on the page I am answering below my entry screen, sometimes I cannot. What I really miss is the list at the top of the page showing who is visiting the BB and where they are at. This feature worked on my computer until I got this new one.

If you want me to I will go back and see if I can find the post you are wanting me to deal with?

Thanks.
God Bless.
Bro. Dallas

 

Which is why the Luke 8 scenario of "Rocky Ground" and "Thorny ground" with the "dead in sin - coming to LIFE and growing up - and then dying back" is so "significant" for the Arminian POV.

Yes that would be another way to argue that Luke 8 scenario is showing someone being "ENABLED" and brought to life - but after some period of time - eventually - dying back again.

In Christ,

Bob

 

Christ said "I will DRAW all Mankind unto Me" John 12:32-

EVEN Calvinists admit that such drawing is "sufficient to ENABLE what total depravity disables".

Is it any wonder that when the Arminian view - accepts that Christ really DOES "DRAW ALL MANKIND to himself" that the problem of ENABLING ALL mankind to choose - is solved??

In Christ,

Bob