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A question about Heaven
- Thread starter Salty
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The word was fully Yahweh, he was JUST Yahweh there with Yahweh THE father!
He was Yahweh the word, who became the Son when was Incarnated as Jesus!
he was only Yahweh, but a seperate Person from the Father!
No, rather its what Apostle John wrote in his prologue, as Jesus before His birth was the Word of the father, both were equally Yahweh, and separate Persons!
Different person then the Father, but still both were "only" Yahweh!
37818
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No. There is only one Yahweh. The Word was both with Yahweh and was Yahweh. John 1:1-3.
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I have yet to see an illustration of the trinity that is not is some manner a violation of the concept the Scriptures present.
This is just my own observation and I don't want others to be held to the same opinion.
The trinity is not fixed as humankind would suspect, and therefore to place it in human terms more often is faulty.
There are three persons, One God. Why not leave it at that and raise our voices in praise and adoration?
When the Scripture presents the work of one of the Three, acknowledge it and move on in praise and adoration.
Don't try to comprehend but understand that one day, when this mortal has taken on immortal, then we shall know just as we are known now by the trinity. So, praise with adoration the Lord God Almighty!
This is just my own observation and I don't want others to be held to the same opinion.
The trinity is not fixed as humankind would suspect, and therefore to place it in human terms more often is faulty.
There are three persons, One God. Why not leave it at that and raise our voices in praise and adoration?
When the Scripture presents the work of one of the Three, acknowledge it and move on in praise and adoration.
Don't try to comprehend but understand that one day, when this mortal has taken on immortal, then we shall know just as we are known now by the trinity. So, praise with adoration the Lord God Almighty!
1 Holy, holy, holy! Lord God Almighty!
Early in the morning our song shall rise to thee.
Holy, holy, holy, merciful and mighty!
God in three persons, blessed Trinity!
2 Holy, holy, holy! All the saints adore thee,
casting down their golden crowns around the glassy sea;
cherubim and seraphim falling down before thee,
which wert and art and evermore shalt be.
3 Holy, holy, holy! Though the darkness hide thee,
though the eye of sinful man thy glory may not see,
only thou art holy; there is none beside thee,
perfect in pow’r, in love, and purity.
4 Holy, holy, holy! Lord God Almighty!
All thy works shall praise thy name in earth, and sky and sea.
Holy, holy, holy! merciful and mighty!
God in three persons, blessed Trinity!
Early in the morning our song shall rise to thee.
Holy, holy, holy, merciful and mighty!
God in three persons, blessed Trinity!
2 Holy, holy, holy! All the saints adore thee,
casting down their golden crowns around the glassy sea;
cherubim and seraphim falling down before thee,
which wert and art and evermore shalt be.
3 Holy, holy, holy! Though the darkness hide thee,
though the eye of sinful man thy glory may not see,
only thou art holy; there is none beside thee,
perfect in pow’r, in love, and purity.
4 Holy, holy, holy! Lord God Almighty!
All thy works shall praise thy name in earth, and sky and sea.
Holy, holy, holy! merciful and mighty!
God in three persons, blessed Trinity!
Word is Yahweh
37818
Well-Known Member
No the title Father is not used in John 1:1-3. But "with the God," which is use through out the New Testament indicating others in relation to God. Only where the Word is said. to be "was God" indicates the Word's deity being Yahweh, not merely someone other than Yahweh. The incarnation changed how the Word was with God. Yahweh did not change in the incarnation. If the Word was only Yahweh then Yahweh would have changed by adding a second human nature, John 1:14. The Word changed, not Yahweh.
37818
Well-Known Member
No. The Word was always the Son, John 1:18. Proverbs 30:4. He changed how He as the Son was with God by becoming a man, John 1:14. He was always both with God and was God, John 1:1-2.
Topics like this remind me of the time back in late 60s I wanted to learn about electronics. I understood basic electricity pretty well, but was interested in the applications re: radio, TV, test instruments, etc.
I knew a bit, A VERY LITTLE BIT, I might add, & thought a couple of courses would round out my knowledge of ion actions.
Well, after the first couple of lessons, I decided that I needed a couple of decades to master that discipline rather than a couple of courses.
IOW, I honestly had NO IDEA how much I didn’t know until I learned a bit more.
I learned probably a hundred-fold more than I started with, BUT, I also learned that what I didn’t know was a hundred thousand fold more than I originally thought I knew!!!!
Conclusion: We, as mere humans, are nowhere near as brilliant as we tend to think at times, & sometimes, SOMETIMES, the less we truly know, the smarter we THINK we are.
THE VOICE OF EXPERIENCE!!!!!!
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I knew a bit, A VERY LITTLE BIT, I might add, & thought a couple of courses would round out my knowledge of ion actions.
Well, after the first couple of lessons, I decided that I needed a couple of decades to master that discipline rather than a couple of courses.
IOW, I honestly had NO IDEA how much I didn’t know until I learned a bit more.
I learned probably a hundred-fold more than I started with, BUT, I also learned that what I didn’t know was a hundred thousand fold more than I originally thought I knew!!!!
Conclusion: We, as mere humans, are nowhere near as brilliant as we tend to think at times, & sometimes, SOMETIMES, the less we truly know, the smarter we THINK we are.
THE VOICE OF EXPERIENCE!!!!!!
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The word was Yahweh period before the Incarnation
37818
Well-Known Member
He was also always another person with Yahweh, "with God," per John 1:1, John 1:2 and as with His Father, John 17:5.
He was with God and was also Himself God!
Another person, but both are Yahweh!