A question concerning gluttony

[Amy.G]

the more I read this, I am reminded of the Uncle Remus story with br'er rebbit and the tar baby. The more br'er rabbit hit the more stuck he got. Sometimes, you just gotta allow tar babies to go unpunched... :tonofbricks:

That brings back memories of my son when he was a little boy. I used to read that story to him and he called the tar baby the "guitara baby". :laugh: Ah the joys of motherhood.

You are right though. When you're stuck, you're stuck.

 

[tinytim]

:applause: Bravo. That's the best line I've seen in this thread so far!

Also, let's remember that there are many fruits of the Spirit. Some of us are showing, say, love and peace, but are still working on the gentleness or self control. Maybe others have self control, but need to add some more love and meekness. Don't question someone's spirituality simply because you have mastered self control over food and they haven't.

Mmmmmm... Fruits....

 

[rbell]

Mmmmmm... Fruits....

Tim's post has apeel.

I have seeds of doubt as to whether or not he'll ever get to the core of the argument. But his post....and my explanation...do make a great pear. Heck...just reading this thread has gotten me juiced.

I must admit: upon first reading his post, I thought it lacked punch. But after thinking it over, I realized that there was enough zest in his words to preserve the intent he wanted to get across.

Ya'll give us your thoughts! This thread is ripe for discussion.

 

[Tom Bryant]

I envy people who can do that with words. :thumbs: Does it just come to you or is there a microsoft or apple program I can use. :laugh:

 

[Amy.G]

Show offs.

 

[rbell]

I envy people who can do that with words. :thumbs: Does it just come to you or is there a microsoft or apple program I can use. :laugh:

Honestly...it's not a technological thing. Parents really have a lot to do with it. Something about the raisin' of children.
















:laugh:

 

[tinytim]

rbell, you lemonhead!!! You must truly be the apple of God's eye... And I want to thank you for all the times you have gotten me out of a jam here on BB...
Orange you glad there are those of us here that are a little fruity.
If people like you were not here, this place would be plum dry...

But as it stands, we are a bunch of bananas.. and a whole lot of fruitcakes... Just make sure you don't drink too much from the fruit of the vine or you will be called a drunkard.. and I will not eat so much that I become rotten!

 

[Tom Bryant]

If I keep reading this, I will be called a glutton for punishment... not very good but at least a try.:BangHead:

 

[Sopranette]

Tim, rbell...you are both nuts!

love,

Sopranette

 

[saturneptune]

Wow. You're the poster child for Matthew 7:1-2

Amazing...someone will use a scale to determine salvation.

That's a shame.







Now....having addressed that out of line post....an encouraging word: You guys that struggle with your weight can lose it! At my heaviest, I got up to 235 pounds. I'm now at 160. Keep trying!

For me, it was portion control, and giving up (for good) sweet tea and cokes.

Rbell,
I read somewhere last week that diet cokes, 7ups, etc, actually cause one to gain weight over the long run. That seems backwards, but thats what I read.

A link to one of the articles
http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20050613/drink-more-diet-soda-gain-more-weight

 

[tinytim]

Would that be Walnuts, or Acorns?

I knew a Hazel once.. and she was nuts....

I also had an old sunday school teacher named meg... she was nuts too..
She was affectionately known as nutmeg...

 

[jilphn1022]

I miss Jerry Falwell

I'm not sure why a question about gluttony has to be asked in terms of a dead brother in Christ...

But I agree that gluttony is an untouched subject. It's one of those "acceptable sins". Being overwieght may not mean that a person eats too much, it may be that they just don't get enough exercise to work off what they eat.

The better issue may be about how we treat the temple of God, our body.

and I have wondered if Jerry Falwell had been more concern about his physical part of him as he was about his personal part of him. He sure did love and serve the Lord and he was very vital to the Moral Majority. I was hoping that his life would have been many more years to serve the Lord.

I have enjoyed all of you posters. But I am wondering why it is only on the "Baptist only form". I am sure that others who are not Baptist on this fine messageboard would like to join this Biblical discussion.

 

[Palatka51]

Wow I can really dive into this. I think that I'll go bake a pie. :laugh:
TinyTim, you are truly gracious. Now that is what I call a serving of Grace and if you don't mind I in for seconds.

Serve it up Tim, serve it up.

 

[Joe]

I'm not comparing an overweight person to stealing. I'm saying I'd rather have a pastor who knows it when he sins then one who doesn't.

Untrue. See your bolded post below. You made the comparison between two Pastors (see your post below, I bolded) then said you prefer to have a Pastor who acknowledges his addiction to stealing than a Pastor who eats poorly (Gluttony) while living in denial. Maybe you forgot.

I'd rather have a pastor who was openly addicted to stealing then one who was obviously addicted to it but was in denial. (That isn't to say I would want either of them to be my pastor, but if I had to choose one of them I would prefer the one who was not in denial).

Besides, I was just responding to some else. It was abcgrad94 who first said, "I'd rather have a fat pastor and know his weakness and pray for him, than have an outwardly perfect one who is full of pride inside or addicted to porn. They're both sin, you know." I just didn't want to repeat the "porn" analogy b/c this forum forbids discussions of sexuality.

Showing Grace with other posters is also a BB rule along with not posting sexual content.

I think it is wise to question the honesty of anyone who claims to be a Christian yet sins outright and repeatedly.

ALL Christians sin outright and repeatedly. This doesn't normally cause us to question their honesty.

That isn't to say you should make a final judgment on them. But the fact is, Christians should be marked by the fruit of the Spirit. They should stand out.

Grace comes to mind as a fruit of the Spirit

I don't doubt Falwell was a Christian. I'm just saying if he knew he was committing gluttony by eating himself to death I probably would doubt his faith.

You say you don't doubt Falwell was a Christian yet in almost the same breath, you state if he committed the sin of gluttony by eating himself to death, you then would probably doubt his faith.

But all the evidence I've seen shows he was ignorant of the fact that he was sinning all those years... up until the very end. I think God takes that into account. The man likely had a pure heart; and I don't doubt that he probably would have taken steps to stop his addiction if God had made it clear to him that he was sinning. But sadly, he seems to have honestly talked himself out of responsibility before God for gluttony

Again, you give Falwell the benefit of the doubt saying the evidence shows he was ignorant of his sin, and likely had a pure heart yet you do another 360 turn and say Falwell seems to have talked himself out of responsibility before God for gluttony.

Well... no one is perfect, that is for sure. Only Christ. At least we can all agree on that.

I can agree with that...

 

[rbell]

Rbell,
I read somewhere last week that diet cokes, 7ups, etc, actually cause one to gain weight over the long run. That seems backwards, but thats what I read.

A link to one of the articles
http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20050613/drink-more-diet-soda-gain-more-weight

I'm an "occam's razor" kind of guy. Ingest fewer calories...gain less weight (of course, avoiding starvation-diet stuff, etc.)

My opinion on above research: some overweight folks, trying to correct their ways, start drinking diet drinks. Psychologically, this gives them "wiggle room" calorically. Thus, they eat more.

Anyhoo...I cut out sweetened drinks, and lost weight, so whatever research they had didn't take on lil' ol' me...:laugh:

 

[abcgrad94]

My apologies if my comparison violated the "no sexuality" rule. I was not trying to get graphic, just pointing out that I'd rather have a pastor whose sin was not hidden than one who seemed ok on the outside but corrupt in private. My point was that we shouldn't judge a book by it's cover.

 

[jsn9333]

Do you realize you are guilty of the same thing you are accusing me of? By vilifying anyone who uses the words "Falwell" and "glutton" in the same breath you are essentially saying Falwell was not a glutton. That is a judgment my friend. It happens to be a positive one judgment, but it is still a judgment... according to your faulty definition of the word. Or you are saying it is wrong to speak of Falwell's obesity and analyze it. That is a judgment also.

While I have shared my opinion, I have made it abundantly clear that whether or not any particular act of Jerry was a sin is in the hands of One Judge. I have shared an opinion. You just happen to be condemning me as "judging" because you think your opinion has more merit then mine.

Also, the man you cited below was not a glutton nor a drunkard. Just because the pharisees call someone a thing doesn't make it true.

I will say this, however. If Jesus did have 400lbs of extra crispy fried chicken on his waste and was stumbling around with vodka on his breath.... I would tend to agree with the Pharisee's assessment. Thank God, however, that wasn't the case. Jesus died at the hands of the Pharisees, not from one to many sausage biscuits clogging his arteries and not from liver disease from too much alcohol.

Would you say then that this man was a "Christian"?
Matthew 11:19
19The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.

Wisdom says you shouldn't judge. I do not think that Jesus was 400 lbs but yet the Pharisee pointed at Him and said look at that drunken glutton.

Get a grip jsn9333 and know that it is God who is the judge and discerner of the heart of man.

May He be praised for seeing my heart and not my flesh.

 

[jsn9333]

I'll say again, I was pointing out one thing and one thing only; I'd rather have a pastor who recognizes his sin then one who is ignorant of when he has sinned. I used the stealing example b/c there are some in this thread who don't think overeating to the point of obesity is a sin, and I did not want to use the example the original poster gave (of addiction to pornography). Its that easy. Believe it or not, sometimes people mean something different then what you take them to mean. So believe me or don't believe me, either way it doesn't change the point I was trying to make.

And as far as Falwell, Romans 14:14 indicates that if someone talks himself out of certain things being sinful, then those things can cease to be sinful for that particular person (and visa versa if I talk myself into chewing gum being sinful, then for me it can actually become sinful). It has to do with the man's conscience before God and whether or not he *actually* believes he has sinned. Whether or not one actually thinks he is sinning makes a difference; it is the difference between intentional sin and unintentional sin.

Maybe this analogy will help you to understand what I'm trying to say. If I think I robbed someone but actually what I took was merely abandoned property, my heart is still as evil as if I had robbed someone. I intended to steal and, in my mind, I did steal. And if I think I took abandoned property, but in reality I had accidentally robbed someone, then my heart is still as pure as if I had not robbed anyone.

Basically what I'm saying is that it is my hope that Falwell had a pure heart before God... then he was not in "willful defiance" concerning his gluttony. His mental state doesn't affect the sinfulness of gluttony in general, but it can indicate whether he was 1) simply ignorant or 2)was a man who willfully continued in sin for his entire life even to the point that it killed him.

Untrue. See your bolded post below. You made the comparison between two Pastors (see your post below, I bolded) then said you prefer to have a Pastor who acknowledges his addiction to stealing than a Pastor who eats poorly (Gluttony) while living in denial. Maybe you forgot.


Showing Grace with other posters is also a BB rule along with not posting sexual content.

ALL Christians sin outright and repeatedly. This doesn't normally cause us to question their honesty.
Grace comes to mind as a fruit of the Spirit

You say you don't doubt Falwell was a Christian yet in almost the same breath, you state if he committed the sin of gluttony by eating himself to death, you then would probably doubt his faith.

Again, you give Falwell the benefit of the doubt saying the evidence shows he was ignorant of his sin, and likely had a pure heart yet you do another 360 turn and say Falwell seems to have talked himself out of responsibility before God for gluttony.

I can agree with that...

 

[Joe]

I'll say again, I was pointing out one thing and one thing only; I'd rather have a pastor who recognizes his sin then one who is ignorant of when he has sinned. I used the stealing example b/c there are some in this thread who don't think overeating to the point of obesity is a sin, and I did not want to use the example the original poster gave (of addiction to pornography). Its that easy. Believe it or not, sometimes people mean something different then what you take them to mean. So believe me or don't believe me, either way it doesn't change the point I was trying to make.

And as far as Falwell, Romans 14:14 indicates that if someone talks himself out of certain things being sinful, then those things can cease to be sinful for that particular person (and visa versa if I talk myself into chewing gum being sinful, then for me it can actually become sinful). It has to do with the man's conscience before God and whether or not he *actually* believes he has sinned. Whether or not one actually thinks he is sinning makes a difference; it is the difference between intentional sin and unintentional sin.

Maybe this analogy will help you to understand what I'm trying to say. If I think I robbed someone but actually what I took was merely abandoned property, my heart is still as evil as if I had robbed someone. I intended to steal and, in my mind, I did steal. And if I think I took abandoned property, but in reality I had accidentally robbed someone, then my heart is still as pure as if I had not robbed anyone.

Basically what I'm saying is that it is my hope that Falwell had a pure heart before God... then he was not in "willful defiance" concerning his gluttony. His mental state doesn't affect the sinfulness of gluttony in general, but it can indicate whether he was 1) simply ignorant or 2)was a man who willfully continued in sin for his entire life even to the point that it killed him.

I understand now. Thank you

 

[HankD]

Psalm 130:3 If thou, LORD, shouldest mark iniquities, O Lord, who shall stand?

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