A Question

[Jkdbuck76]

Perhaps it is. BTW I am sure you did not mean that those who stand up for truth are infantile.

1) Was I slandered? Yes

2) Did you seek to deflect that truth using humor? Yes

Uhm.... read again. I simply commented that technically you had not been slandered since slander involves speaking and not writing. Libel is written and must actually have caused damage and the statements must not be true.

You then clarified that you were using "slander" in a NT sense which on the face of it is odd seeing as they had no pc's, tablets, nor internet back then. Reminds me of the time when my friend tried to defend Dan Quayle and explained to me that TOMATOE was an Old English term and THAT'S what he meant when he told the kid to add the E.

Be that as it may, the other folks here have patiently and persistently asked you to demonstrate where KJVO ppl have argued that the Byzantine text is the best. Show it to us. Please.

 

[Rippon]

Be that as it may, the other folks here have patiently and persistently asked you to demonstrate where KJVO ppl have argued that the Byzantine text is the best. Show it to us. Please.

Hear that Van? Take note. You have no facts to back up your claims.

 

[Rippon]

You still haven't proven that thesis. You're just throwing that out there. Did you take a personal poll in your area? Is there a survey you have come across?

No Van, your OP is bogus. Let's hear some testimonies from your "lots of folks."

Still waiting for you to prove your assertions.

 

[Van]

Uhm.... read again. I simply commented that technically you had not been slandered since slander involves speaking and not writing. Libel is written and must actually have caused damage and the statements must not be true.

You then clarified that you were using "slander" in a NT sense which on the face of it is odd seeing as they had no pc's, tablets, nor internet back then. Reminds me of the time when my friend tried to defend Dan Quayle and explained to me that TOMATOE was an Old English term and THAT'S what he meant when he told the kid to add the E.

Be that as it may, the other folks here have patiently and persistently asked you to demonstrate where KJVO ppl have argued that the Byzantine text is the best. Show it to us. Please.

1) Again, you are saying the Bible does not teach communicating false and injurious ideas in any manner except by speech is a sin. Twaddle.

2) Next you suggest I manufactured this idea, to deflect a blunder. I have used slander in the biblical sense many times, and have answered your charge many times before. You manufactured a fault to deflect a truth.

3) Finally, for anyone to say the KJVO folks do not claim the superiority of the Byzantine text type, in defense of the TR is twaddle.

Between eighty and ninety percent of existing manuscripts are of the Byzantine family and are in remarkable agreement. This fact is not in dispute. King James supporters say that the few manuscripts to which Westcott and Hort gave preference cannot override the witness of the vast majority of manuscripts in existence which are of the Byzantine tradition.

They also argued that the vast numbers of Byzantine manuscripts along with the centuries of history behind this text family should not be set aside on the basis of a few manuscripts discovered relatively recently. They insisted that the Spirit of God would not allow His true word to lie dormant so long while the church was being guided by inferior texts.

The people who refuse to accept anything other than a TR based NT such as the KJV (or occasionally NKJV) are TR only, which is often simply another kind of KJV-Only. They sometimes refer to the Byzantine/Majority text-type to bolster their position, but rarely understand textual criticism. So they're not going to accept the WEB because they are usually another brand of KJVO.

 

[Yeshua1]

1) Again, you are saying the Bible does not teach communicating false and injurious ideas in any manner except by speech is a sin. Twaddle.

2) Next you suggest I manufactured this idea, to deflect a blunder. I have used slander in the biblical sense many times, and have answered your charge many times before. You manufactured a fault to deflect a truth.

3) Finally, for anyone to say the KJVO folks do not claim the superiority of the Byzantine text type, in defense of the TR is twaddle.

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TRUE KJVO supporters will accept only the TR as being the real Greek text to use, as the one from God, so they will not have either MT.CT in their discussion points!

 

[Salty]

TRUE KJVO supporters will accept only the TR as being the real Greek text to use, as the one from God, so they will not have either MT.CT in their discussion points!

So why not use the TR?

 

[Yeshua1]

So why not use the TR?

If one chooses to use the TR as their Greek text, I have no problem with that, but would say tat eithere the CT/MT better represents what the original manuscripts actually stated!

 

[Van]

Advocates of the KJV have Majority Text and Byzantine Text in their discussion points to bolster their adherence to the TR over and against the Critical Text. But this argument is spurious, as demonstrated by their non-advocacy of the World English Bible. At its core, adherence to the TR is provincial, i.e. if it was good enough for Paul, it is good enough for me.

 

[Yeshua1]

Advocates of the KJV have Majority Text and Byzantine Text in their discussion points to bolster their adherence to the TR over and against the Critical Text. But this argument is spurious, as demonstrated by their non-advocacy of the World English Bible. At its core, adherence to the TR is provincial, i.e. if it was good enough for Paul, it is good enough for me.

problem is that the only text I ever saw real KJVO support was the TR!

 

[Jkdbuck76]

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2) Next you suggest I manufactured this idea, to deflect a blunder. I have used slander in the biblical sense many times, and have answered your charge many times before. You manufactured a fault to deflect a truth.

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Van, I work in the business world. I'm just used to the modern legal definition of those two terms. That's all I'm saying.

I never said you manufactured anything. We gonna be friends or not?

 

[Van]

Van, I work in the business world. I'm just used to the modern legal definition of those two terms. That's all I'm saying.

I never said you manufactured anything. We gonna be friends or not?

I am your friend, but I speak what I believe is truth, and seek to avoid "little fibs" which avoid God's reality. The Bible condemns any sort of communication which is injurious and false, even those we form in our heads and never express. Just saying

 

[Van]

I made two additional points, first, that biblical slander is any sort of thought, whether expressed or not, and if expressed, in any form of communication, where the thought is false and injurious to another. Second, that anyone can Google "Byzantine" and find KJVO arguments citing either or both the Majority Text and Byzantine text family, as underlying the TR and being superior to the Critical Text.

None of my friends indicated agreement with one or both points, suggesting a kind of silent treatment which is beneath friendly.