Benjamin's point was we have translators that have translated 'whoever' into the english. And what qualifies you to supplant their translation?
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And We have the Acts of the Holy Spirit who used disciples to "persuade men" and to "convince men" that Jesus is the Christ.
Acts 28:23-24 They set a day to meet with him, and they came to him where he was staying in even greater numbers. From morning until evening he explained things to them, testifying about the kingdom of God and trying to convince them about Jesus from both the law of Moses and the prophets.
Some were convinced by what he said, but others refused to believe.
Acts 28:23-24 They set a day to meet with him, and they came to him where he was staying in even greater numbers. From morning until evening he explained things to them, testifying about the kingdom of God and trying to convince them about Jesus from both the law of Moses and the prophets.
Some were convinced by what he said, but others refused to believe.
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you just offer sarcastic drive by posts that are useless.
Really...maybe you could re-post your 5 best posts that open ed up scripture for us...go ahead...we will wait[most likely ...a very long time]
ok 3 verses...a real landslide...don't get carpal tunnel syndrome offering them
Do not have to be psychic...just need to look at what you post
Have you ever posted a bible verse???I do not recall.
No...they try and make it easy for people like you to try and read.
Non cals on the attack, are not looking for truth, but rather to oppose truth , tist, wrest and mangle scripture...if any scripture is offered.
you just offer sarcastic drive by posts that are useless.
Stepping away from dispensational error..it works just fine, in fact so well that the believing church has believed it's truth since the time of the apostles.
All saved persons understand it, and who Israel is.
Really...maybe you could re-post your 5 best posts that open ed up scripture for us...go ahead...we will wait[most likely ...a very long time]
ok 3 verses...a real landslide...don't get carpal tunnel syndrome offering them
I understood benjamin quite clearly...thanks
or this:
23 and having appointed him a day, they came, more of them unto him, to the lodging, to whom he was expounding, testifying fully the reign of God, persuading them also of the things concerning Jesus, both from the law of Moses, and the prophets, from morning till evening,
24 and, some, indeed, were believing the things spoken, and some were not believing.
25 And not being agreed with one another, they were going away, Paul having spoken one word -- `Well did the Holy Spirit speak through Isaiah the prophet unto our fathers,
26 saying, Go on unto this people and say, With hearing ye shall hear, and ye shall not understand, and seeing ye shall see, and ye shall not perceive,
27 for made gross was the heart of this people, and with the ears they heard heavily, and their eyes they did close, lest they may see with the eyes, and with the heart may understand, and be turned back, and I may heal them.
28 `Be it known, therefore, to you, that to the nations was sent the salvation of God, these also will hear it;'
29 and he having said these things, the Jews went away, having much disputation among themselves;
30 and Paul remained an entire two years in his own hired [house], and was receiving all those coming in unto him,
31 preaching the reign of God, and teaching the things concerning the Lord Jesus Christ with all boldness -- unforbidden.
Great! Would you supplant their translation?
Looks like you had better use something, because your methods have failed you so far....
try this on for size:
james White on youtube on jn 3:16 - Yahoo Video Search Results
try the 3rd one...get back to me
Okie Dokie
Right, got it.
Except the Lord Jesus gave a picture from the old testament (moses lifting up the serpent and people believing on it to be healed) and then first stated that reality in Vs. 15, not vs. 16.
So, once again...keep it in its context and we will better understand it
once again you seek to explain it away...it is everyone believing and continuing to believe...Right, got it.
Except the Lord Jesus gave a picture from the old testament (moses lifting up the serpent and people believing on it to be healed) and then first stated that reality in Vs. 15, not vs. 16.
So, once again...keep it in its context and we will better understand it
You're the one divorcing verses from their context. I'm just stating what the Scriptures say. Whoever looks on the Lord Jesus will live, just as the one looking on the serpent lived.
again...you are set to oppose yourself here...write your own gospel, or try the one actually written;
14 `And as Moses did lift up the serpent in the wilderness, so it behoveth the Son of Man to be lifted up,
15 that every one who is believing in him may not perish, but may have life age-during,
16 for God did so love the world, that His Son -- the only begotten -- He gave, that every one who is believing in him may not perish, but may have life age-during.
keep thinking you can misuse the context to somehow make your unbiblical ideas, biblical.
You are not stating what the scriptures say...you are saying what you desire them to say...but you still have no verse that teaches free will...so your whole church is built upon a fallacy.
John 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
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Just something to consider, I'd be careful what I say about the Lord's church.
Yes....believers believe
1689Dave
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Your problem is with the "age of accountability doctrine". Not with scripture. Adam's sin imputed is sufficient to damn all to hell even before we take our first breath.
1689Dave
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No and I found serious errors in each. But it shows that salvation is deeper than faith, which is a reaction to being saved.
“But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.” (Romans 5:8–9) (KJV 1900)
I.e. If someone is Justified by Christ's blood, but doesn't live long enough to be justified by faith, do they perish? Knowing that they would surely have faith if given the chance?
I don't hold to that belief.
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