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a sitting member of Congress suggest that his constituents should take up arms against the president

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FollowTheWay

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I care about the poor by donating to charities from my heart and my own pocketbook, and if the government let me keep more of my own money I would donate even more.

Also, is it part of your faith that you like your tax dollars going to a business that slices and dices human babies in the womb?
Your party was responsible for the Roe vs. Wade decision and has done nothing in 45 YEARS to reverse it. Own it.
 

church mouse guy

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Your party was responsible for the Roe vs. Wade decision and has done nothing in 45 YEARS to reverse it. Own it.

The Democrats are responsible for abortion both in the court and in their party platform. There are no pro-life Democrats left. A lot of Democrats say that the unborn child is not a human being. Margaret Sanger believed in eugenics but Democrats don't talk about that just as they don't talk about Darwin saying that some people are superior to others according to their ethnic backgrounds.
 

Matt Black

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Why do you think it's become such a party political issue on your side of the Pond? Here on the rare occasions when it's debated in Parliament, legislators get a free (ie: non-partisan) vote.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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No, Marxism is where there is no private property.

[ETA - but interesting theory - does that apply to all public sector services eg: police, public libraries, schools, etc?]
I’m not certain but if I know Cato’s character, he was no supporter of graft and malfeasance ... you should read up on him. I believe they tried 6 times to displace him and each time they tried, the farmers stepped in to protect him.
 

church mouse guy

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The great welfare state pimp, I mean president, FDR said that welfare is a narcotic, a subtle destroyer of human souls.
 

Matt Black

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I’m not certain but if I know Cato’s character, he was no supporter of graft and malfeasance ... you should read up on him. I believe they tried 6 times to displace him and each time they tried, the farmers stepped in to protect him.
I have no problem with withdrawal of welfare from those who won't work: it's those who can't work who need to be supported
 

church mouse guy

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Because the previous alternative, Hooverville, was so great, wasn't it?

Let's face it--the Brits are as broke as we are and a welfare state makes little sense just because you have people who want to eat but don't want to work. FDR invented modernday welfare so he was well aware that it was a narcotic. Labour wants full-fledged socialism and only the Germans have enough money to afford all that.
 

Matt Black

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We have people who want to work but can't; we also have people who are in work but can't afford to live - what's your great solution for them?
 

Revmitchell

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We have people who want to work but can't; we also have people who are in work but can't afford to live - what's your great solution for them?

1. Determine that government is the worst possible solution for them and burn that bridge so we are forced to find a good free market solution.
2. Be as concerned for their self sufficiency as we are everything else.
3. actually put some time in to figure out how they can move forward.
4. Want to give them their dignity back by making them self sufficient.
5. Care more about them then we do the issue.
6. Understand "Can't work" is too broad a term and may not be appropriate.
7. Those who can work but cannot afford to live need to get a better job. Let's get them training if needed.
 

Matt Black

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Explain how people "who are in work but can't afford to live" are alive.
Many are not: A landmark study has linked Tory austerity to 120,000 deaths

Universal credit plunges kids into poverty and 120,000 have died because of austerity – but Jacob Rees-Mogg wants more cuts

Social care scandal as Tory cuts 'led to the deaths of 30,000 people'

'30,000 excess deaths in 2015 linked to cuts in health and social care' | University of Oxford

For the rest, there's food Banks or the choice between heating your home in winter or feeding your kids .

But, hey, it's ok because we're 'pro-life'*

*Offer expires at birth
 

Matt Black

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1. Determine that government is the worst possible solution for them and burn that bridge so we are forced to find a good free market solution.
2. Be as concerned for their self sufficiency as we are everything else.
3. actually put some time in to figure out how they can move forward.
4. Want to give them their dignity back by making them self sufficient.
5. Care more about them then we do the issue.
6. Understand "Can't work" is too broad a term and may not be appropriate.
7. Those who can work but cannot afford to live need to get a better job. Let's get them training if needed.
That looks like a 19th century 'solution' to a very real 21st century problem: it's been proven not to work, hence why we've moved on from that.
 

Adonia

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That looks like a 19th century 'solution' to a very real 21st century problem: it's been proven not to work, hence why we've moved on from that.

Funny how all of these people on the government dole somehow are able to afford a big screen TV, cable or satellite TV and a cell phone, how can this be?
 

Adonia

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We have people who want to work but can't; we also have people who are in work but can't afford to live - what's your great solution for them?

They need to stop depending on the government to do something for them. They need to use individual initiative to make a success of themselves by getting some education or training that could lead them to a better job. With little education i myself started with nothing, but went out and got some training which led me to a decent paying job as a truck driver. I was able to provide for my family through the years, make some investments and put some money away for my retired years. If I can do it, others can too - all without the governments help. I am tired of excuses.
 

Adonia

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I have no problem with withdrawal of welfare from those who won't work: it's those who can't work who need to be supported

And no one wants to take away anything from the truly needy and those that are disabled in some way. Our problem now is that this has ballooned to a point that if one has some catchall medical problem they can get on the dole even though they are perfectly able to work. I know many people who have gamed the system.
 

Adonia

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Why do you think it's become such a party political issue on your side of the Pond? Here on the rare occasions when it's debated in Parliament, legislators get a free (ie: non-partisan) vote.

Because Democrats are masters at this game called politics. They stick together and all follow the party line while the Republicans on the other hand do not stick together. There are many Republicans we call RINO's (Republicans In Name Only) while the Democrats who have gone far left do not have this problem. The Democrats have abandoned their traditional base of supporting the working person in America in favor of identity politics and the championing of people here illegally. My step son, a dues paying Union member voted for Trump no less! He didn't leave the Democrats, they left him.
 

Matt Black

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They need to stop depending on the government to do something for them. They need to use individual initiative to make a success of themselves by getting some education or training that could lead them to a better job. With little education i myself started with nothing, but went out and got some training which led me to a decent paying job as a truck driver. I was able to provide for my family through the years, make some investments and put some money away for my retired years. If I can do it, others can too - all without the governments help. I am tired of excuses.
Don't you think they've tried to do that? It just sounds like victim blaming to me; just because you got lucky doesn't mean that others don't have the deck stacked against them.
 
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