To God it a done deal, but to us gets done once receive Jesus as our Lord and Savior!
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A Tale of Two Calvinisms
- Thread starter JonC
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That does not make sense. Either we are born condemned or we are born forgiven.
God has provided for us to get saved already, by His election and predestination, but we still must receive Jesus as our Lord and Savior, none ever born already saved!
This is inconsistent with the idea that you were forgiven at the cross.
By God already a done deal, but per us, still must happen in real time!
So it is a matter of perception and we really are born without guilt???
From the viewpoint of God yes, but we still must be born again to have it actually real!
So God just thinks that we were already forgiven, but in reality we are not and need to be reborn?
God knows that we will be one of His own, as he already chose us to get saved, and he makes sure that we thus will get saved!
Scott Downey
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Your born into this world a condemned sinner spiritually dead, so if your situation does not change you will finish perishing in hell.
Paul tells us unbelievers are in the process of perishing, 2 Corinthians 4.
You must be reborn, begotten again, after which all things become new. Your a new you that is now spiritually alive and can never perish seeing you have eternal life just like God has. And we are to no longer regard anyone begotten again this way according to the flesh any longer.
All these things are of God and He has reconciled us to Himself through Christ. We now are to tell others to be reconciled to God through Christ, but we are not responsible for their unbelief.
2 Corinthians 5
16 Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer. 17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.
18 Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation, 19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
20 Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were pleading through us: we implore you on Christ’s behalf, be reconciled to God. 21 For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
So they were not really forgiven at the Cross?
I agree.
Are we born as saved or lost?
We are elected and chosen to be in Jesus correct? Before even born m but still need to get saved!
Why, if your sins were forgiven before you were born, would you need to get saved? If you are sinless then there is no wrath to come.
Once again, to God He sees everything as already accomplished for us to be saved, but to us, still must get saved!
Either it is accomplished or it is not.
When were you sins paid.atoned for?
Our sins are not purchased, we are. And we are forgiven when we repent (when we confess our sins as Christ is our Mediator). Read 1 Jn 1.
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