A video of my girls dancing in church...

So quoting scripture is a personal attack?

I had a preacher one time that said if the scripture steps on your toes, don't blame the messenger, take it up with God.

 

Gotta agree with TT here...I don't see the attack.

 

You attacked me for judging and pretended to be spiritual by using Scripture. We all can play the same game. What if I were to put you in the same class as Paul did when he said:

Acts 13:9-10 Then Saul, (who also is called Paul,) filled with the Holy Ghost, set his eyes on him, And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?
--Are you also a child of the devil as Paul said?
You suggested I am judgmental using the words of Paul?

What about the words of Jesus. I will use them and direct them to you.

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
--Does it feel nice to have Scripture pointed at you when it is not true?

The fact is that I am not being judgmental. I believe, as I posted, judging "righteously," according to the Word of God, from which I glean Bilblical principles. In all these pages you have yet to give one iota of evidence that dance is an acceptable form of worship for the local church. That is the challenge. It has nothing to do with being judgmental, which is simply a personal attack.

 

The evidence has been posted, DHK. Over and over again.

You simply refuse to accept it.


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DHK, I'm assuming you've done some study in this area - "acceptable form of worship for the local church". Care to share? How about starting a thread for discussion and edification? Post it where us non-Baptists could participate.

 

Yes.. it has.. but you refuse to accept the OT as proof.

Might as well rip out Genesis to Malachi..
Although God doesn't change.

My proof is in the Bible that God accepts dance.. not going to post it again.. you need to read what has been posted and realize that it is God's inspired word.

David danced.. and tells us to in Psalms...
DHK, if you can't accept that, then I have no other proof.

But you have failed to prove that it is not acceptable to dance.

The burden of proof is on you since this thread was started by a Godly lady that wanted to share with the Christian world her beautiful daughters dancing in worship to God.. and you came on this thread to point out that it is wrong...

You need to provide biblical proof that it is wrong.

 

God accepted polygamy in the OT; he doesn't in the NT.
God accepted wholesale slaughter of innocent women and children in the OT; he doesn't in the NT (ex: Jericho, Canaanites)
God accepted prayers of judgement that we would never prayer (imprecatory psalms; Psa. 109:6-20) in the OT; we would not in the NT.
All worship was done through a priestly system (like the RCC) in the OT; we are a priest before God in the NT, and have no need of a priestly system in the NT
Dance in the OT was done in times of military victory only; we also don't have that situation. Neither is there a NT local church in the OT.

Yes, God (though he does not change), his methods change from dispensation to dispensation in the Bible. If not, go out and marry a dozen wives, and in God's permissive will he may accept it. Take an army of men, and under the name of Christ conquer a city, set up the Kingdom of God by force, carnal force. Do it the OT way--If God doesn't change--as you so affirm.

I don't have to prove a negative. I simply have to show you that what is acceptable in the OT, is not necessarily acceptable in the NT, and that I have done. I have also shown you that there is nothing in the NT that warrants the practice of dance as a form of worship, and you have presented no evidence that it is an acceptable form of worship. The onus is on you to demonstrate that it is.

That is like Benny Hinn affirming that the trinity is a nine-person Godhead (which he does). The onus is not on me to prove to him that it isn't, but rather on him to demonstrate that it is. He is making an outlandish statement and affirms something quite contrary to the Bible's teaching. Demonstrate it. You have done the same thing. You have affirmed something contrary to the Bible's teaching--carnal dancing (and it is carnal--appealing to the senses, not the spiritual side of man), is Biblical. Yet you cannot demonstrate it from the Bible. Illogically you want me to demonstrate it that it isn't. Like the RCC you want me to demonstrate that Purgatory is not found in the Bible, rather than the RCC demonstrate that it is in the Bible. You fail to be logical in your debate.

Read again. You need to provide Biblical proof that it is right. The burden of proof is on you. You are the one making up things and trying to fit them into your mode of unbiblical worship.

 

DHK...

Psalm 150...

How plain does God have to make it?


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How plain does God have to make it. Read Peter Master's commentary on the Book of Psalms here. This psalm is a psalm written after a military victory, when the author was rejoicing for the victory that was won. Furthermore, what does it have to do with worship in the NT local church? I ask you again and again, provide evidence that dance is an acceptable form of worship in the NT local church, and you fail. You revert back to the OT, every time. Why is that?

 

This is pick and choose time, right? You get to pick some parts of the OT that are appealing to you, and ignore those things that are not appealing to you.

No he didn't. He never orders man to marry in this dispensation either. If a man wants to stay single he has the perfect right to do so. The fact is that God said to David (after he had sinned), "if you had desired more wives, I would have given you more." In his permissive will he would have allowed (and eventually did) David to have many more wives. If the OT is good enough in one area, then why isn't it good enough in other areas? You are inconsistent. You just want to pick and choose according to your own emotions. You do not rightly divide the word of truth.

You are wrong. God told Israel not us, to praise Him with loud instruments and dancing. There are certain applications we can make from the psalms, but not all. As I posted before, will you pray the same imprecatory psalm that the psamist prayed, or will you continue your pick and choose kick, of "some of the OT I want to do, and some I don't." You do not rightly divide the word of truth. What is wrong with this prayer as opposed to Psalm 150:

Psalms 109:6-19 Set a wicked man over him. Let an adversary stand at his right hand. When he is judged, let him come forth guilty. Let his prayer be turned into sin. Let his days be few. Let another take his office. Let his children be fatherless, And his wife a widow. Let his children be wandering beggars. Let them be sought from their ruins. Let the creditor seize all that he has. Let strangers plunder the fruit of his labor. Let there be none to extend kindness to him, Neither let there be any to have pity on his fatherless children. Let his posterity be cut off. In the generation following let their name be blotted out. Let the iniquity of his fathers be remembered by Yahweh. Don't let the sin of his mother be blotted out. Let them be before Yahweh continually, That he may cut off the memory of them from the earth; Because he didn't remember to show kindness, But persecuted the poor and needy man, The broken in heart, to kill them. Yes, he loved cursing, and it came to him. He didn't delight in blessing, and it was far from him. He clothed himself also with cursing as with his garment. It came into his inward parts like water, Like oil into his bones. Let it be to him as the clothing with which he covers himself, For the belt that is always around him.

Why not pray that Psalm? Isn't it Biblical? It too is in the Bible. It too is a prayer. But you are proud that you get to pick and choose, pick and choose, according to your own sentiments and feel-good theology. Sorry, but that doesn't work for me. Stick to NT theology, and show from the NT how dance is an acceptable form of worship in the NT local church.

I never said we were not in a spiritual war.
I said we are not in a carnal war. Read 2Cor.10:3-5. The weapons of are warfare are not carnal. But they were in the OT. If you are going to go to the OT for your proof, then be consistent in your application and use carnal weapons. You don't rightly divide the word of truth.

 

DHK,

As Annsni just posted, we as Christians have been in a spiritual war ever since the time of Christ.

We celebrate a "victory that was won" together every time we gather as christians.

Satan was defeated utterly and completely on the cross of Calvary.

In adition, every time a lost person is saved, a lukewarn christian is revived, or a redeemed one passes on into glory...a victory is won over Satan.

Its been made very clear for you how that relates to worship in a NT church.


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No it hasn't. It is taken out of its context. Why don't you pray Psalm 109:6-19 as well, if Psalm 150 is acceptable for you?

 

Why just verses 6-19? Why not the ones that precede them...

...or why not the balance of the Psalm...

Context! :wavey:

 

I just want to make sure I am reading you right.. you seperate the promises to Israel from the Church?

Although Paul says...

It seems clear that God doesn't seperate the church from Israel, we are grafted in to Israel and have received what Israel is to receive.
So then when God tells Israel to dance.. why do you want to say that's not for the church, but only for Israel? You are trying to ungraft what Christ has grafted.

Psalms applies to us today..
Or do you propose to not apply the 23rd psalm as well?

See also

 

DHK,

Psalm 109 is wonderful. But why did you stop at verse 19?

Keep reading...

It ends in victory. At that point, giving praise with dance would be appropriate.

Just like the victories we have in our Spiritual "warfare".


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Wow.. Ann, you and I are on the same wavelenght....that is scary!!! lol

 

I probably should bow out of this.. it is clear that I am not going to change my mind and DHK is the same way..

Praise God.. Praise God.. Praise God..