A video of my girls dancing in church...

Yes, in a time of actual physical carnal war.
Is that what your local church is doing? What does your church arm itself with?
AK-47s? No spiritualizing the text now.

 

We are in a spiritual war; not a carnal war. Dance is carnal. There is nothing in the NT about dance. Dance was connected with carnal wars in the OT. What has that to do with the NT? Absolutely nothing! There is no NT church in the OT. Demonstrate from the NT where dancing is an acceptable form of worship. It can't be done, and you have failed in these many pages of posting.
Here is what the NT says about warfare in the NT:

2 Corinthians 10:3-5 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds.
5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
--There is no room for dance in this battle. Dance is carnal, not spiritual. It appeals to the flesh. In fact in every post you have made in defense of dance you have given evidence of how it appeals to the flesh and not the spiritual side of men.

Dancing...tambourines, etc. appeal to the senses of mankind.
It leans more toward entertainment, not worship, regardless of what you say.
Watch the dancing of some of the people that "worship" on Gaither's Gospel Hour. What happens afterward? People clap and give their applause; not in praise of God, but in praise of man for their talent, for what they have done.
It is more entertainment than worship. It appeals to the flesh. It is not spiritual.

 

“9 But avoid foolish disputes, genealogies, contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and useless.” Titus 3:9, NKJV.

A while back, I stopped coming to this forum because I felt like it was too much of a temptation to engage in foolish disputes. I recently came back and found that not much has changed.

There are far more important things for those of us that serve Christ to be doing.

From many of you, I have enjoyed fellowship and advice in the past, but far too often "iron sharpens iron" is merely the excuse for disputing. Such discord among the body of Christ is hateful to the Lord (see Proverbs 6).

If your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off. I'll take that to mean that if a website should cause me to sin, I should cut that off as well. This is my last post to the Baptist Board.

I welcome your fellowship. My email address is abdavis@socket.net and I'm on facebook.

Until we're together in Heaven, may the Lord bless you and keep you.

 

DHK,

For the third time I have asked you to justify your hermeneutical principle. You have remained consistent by refusing to address the issue we have about your inconsistency?

I do not find pants in the NT and yet you continue to suggest that one cannot do something because it is not found in the NT. How would you apply your hermeneutical principle to wearing pants for men and dresses for women.

 

I do not find guns in the OT and NT so could you enlighten me as to what your point is.

I do not hide behind the ecclesiastical cloak of a pastor spiritualizing in the name of Jesus suggesting that there is no battle and that Jesus is a lovely guy who will make you rich by giving you what you want while the world is going to hell.

"It's a battle field brother not a recreation room."

 

And I don't understand your question, even after having taught a course in hermeneutics. Do you want a crash course in the principles of Biblical hermeneutics? My "hermeneutic" as you put it, is to rightly divide the word of truth, to search the Scriptures, to keep things in context. I am not the one inconsistent. But you are largely illogical and inconsistent in your posts throwing out red herrings here and there that are totally irrelevant to this discussion like the one mentioned below.

A typical red herring.
Unless what you are wearing is very outlandish or immodest, then what does it have to do with worship. We are discussing worship, and things related to it--dance in particular. But if you are convicted about pants go to the Punjab in India and wear a Shalwar Qameez, a long shirt-like garment that comes down to about knee length and has very loose pant like garment to go with it. That will solve your problem.
--You could also stop using your computer if you are convicted about using things not found in the NT. In fact don't use anything that uses electricity.
So, enough of the red herrings. Did you really want to discuss the Bible, or not?

 

Jesus said to Peter: "Put up your sword."
But if you are going to justify dance from the OT, which was done in a time of war, then you need to disobey the command of Jesus, and use the sword, and start a war so that you can dance in a time of war. Is that what you need to do in order to justify dance in a Biblical context?

There is no way to justify dance in the NT. If there was, you would have come up with something by now, but you haven't.

 

I have never once ever thought what you judged about them. They are God's servants not yours as a judgment pie. The same you are doing are the very things which was done to Isaac Watts. Many of the same CCM songs then are the same songs you sing today and call them hymns.


Titus 1:15, "To the pure, all things are pure; but to those who are defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure, but both their mind and their conscience are defiled."

 

HEY ANN! (sorry for shouting)

First dancing, then dancing followed by applause?! You know y'all are about one tambourine and shout of "Hallelujah" from being one of those charismaniac churches. Little low key for a full blown shouting meeting but y'all got a good start. :smilewinkgrin:

 

What books did you use in the course?

You are the one that wrote you did not find dancing in the OT. Therefore suggesting that it was not valid.

Pant and dresses are not in the OT and NT and according to your hermenetuical principle they must not be worn because they are not in the NT. Red herring? Just applying your principle. I am just being consistent in what you claimed. Do you have a problem with being consistent in your hermeneutical principle?

I was discussing worship, but you wrote off the issue of dancing because "it is not found in the NT." So I followed up with a practice I am quite sure you do, trying to draw you out and challenge your principle.
The principle I saw you practicing is that is if it is not found in the NT then it must not be practiced now, and that the OT is no longer valid so that is a non-issue. Am I right or wrong?

 

The first name of the church on your profile might come close.:laugh:

 

You mean Kuyahoora? The Mohawks say it means Leaping Waters referring to the West Canada Creek that flows through the valley. Now one could infer that "Leaping Waters" may lead to dancing but I don't think our drummer is good enough to hold a sustained tempo for anyone to follow for any significant period of time. Come to think of it, our guitar player isn't all that good either.

Fortunately I come equipped with a piano player just like any pastor worth his salt. We have a Steinway concert grand for madre to play. I might have to fire her, though. I believe I saw at least two deacons tapping their toes while she was playing the prelude last week.

I better nip that in the bud pretty soon. If I let it go unchallenged we'll end up like poor Ann and those misguided folk on Lawwwwwng Oyyyyy-land.

 

DHK...

And I guess you just tapped into the attitude of their heart, and you read their minds and hearts, and you know for sure what the attitude of their heart was?

Absolutely mind boggling. And I dont even care that much for Southern Gospel, yet I am just stunned that you seem to have appointed yourself the judge of all things, and the discerner of other peoples hearts.


:godisgood:

 

. . . . Exactly.

 

Romans 2:1-3, "Therefore you have no excuse, everyone of you who passes judgment, for in that which you judge another, you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things. And we know that the judgment of God rightly falls upon those who practice such things. But do you suppose this, O man, when you pass judgment on those who practice such things and do the same yourself, that you will escape the judgment of God?"

 

More red herrings, and this time coupled with veiled personal attacks.

I can quote Scripture too:
John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

1 Corinthians 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

But that begs the question doesn't it. You still haven't a shred of Biblical evidence, in particular NT evidence, that dancing is an acceptable form of worship for the local church today. Your personal attacks are unnecessary.

 

daughters dancing in "CHURCH" of all places

All in one word, REPROACH! William T Sleeper wrote a number of songs in the 1800's. Two of them we find in the Baptist song books. They are "Jesus I Come" and "Ye Must Be Born Again". 100 years after his death they had a anniversary celebration in his church...........with a rock and roll dance band.