A well-known evangelist's silliness...

[robycop3]

I was listening to a regular radio prog of a well-known evangelist who was killed in a plane crash in 1982, who was supposed to be indy fundy Baptist. While I'm not a regular listener, I happened to be listening today, His sermon was supposed to be about taking drugs, not only illicitly, but for supposed beneficial effects. He started out fine, but then began talking about some old doc who never prescribed a drug, but supposedly had a high cure rate, then, about abuse of 'sleeping pills'. He then began extollin pure water & lemon juice as the great healers, the only ones people need.

He then went off the deep end, promoting a veggie diet, saying this dr. he knew told him he'd never seen a case of high cholesterol in a veggie. Then he said people got sick for not following the Leviticus diet, which was herbs & veggies (I DON'T THINK HE READ LEVITICUS TOO CLOSELY, ESPECIALLY CH. 11!)

While I'd listened to that man's progs off & on for years, I'd never heard anything that goofy from him before!

 

[Yeshua1]

I was listening to a regular radio prog of a well-known evangelist who was killed in a plane crash in 1982, who was supposed to be indy fundy Baptist. While I'm not a regular listener, I happened to be listening today, His sermon was supposed to be about taking drugs, not only illicitly, but for supposed beneficial effects. He started out fine, but then began talking about some old doc who never prescribed a drug, but supposedly had a high cure rate, then, about abuse of 'sleeping pills'. He then began extollin pure water & lemon juice as the great healers, the only ones people need.

He then went off the deep end, promoting a veggie diet, saying this dr. he knew told him he'd never seen a case of high cholesterol in a veggie. Then he said people got sick for not following the Leviticus diet, which was herbs & veggies (I DON'T THINK HE READ LEVITICUS TOO CLOSELY, ESPECIALLY CH. 11!)

While I'd listened to that man's progs off & on for years, I'd never heard anything that goofy from him before!

was he sda, as sounds like Ellen White dr!

 

[Salty]

was he sda, as sounds like Ellen White dr!

Nope - was not her

Roby - I know to whom you are refering

He also thought there was no need for TV, newspapers, ect

Here is a quote of his "also advocated for a reform of modern medicine. He once said in a sermon, "We're looking for a color-coded new world: a green pill for anxiety, and yellow pill for frustration, an orange pill for unhappiness, a black pill for a bad day at the office, and a white one when all else fails ... I believe that these pills are not necessary; only because there's a certain man in this country that has failed to give the right pill. The preacher has not given the gos-pill. Therefore, they're on every pill you can think of, and none of them are working"

preached stridently against homosexuality,[1] communism, television, alcohol, tobacco, drugs, gluttony, and psychology. His strong stands led to disagreements with most of his Southern Baptist brethren. He became IFB in 1956

 

[robycop3]

was he sda, as sounds like Ellen White dr!

He CLAIMED to be IFB. Never heard him mention any outright SDA stuff.

Staff doesn't want us using names when we criticize a preacher, so I'm not using his. However, you might recognize who he was from the fact that he piloted his own plane, the one in which he was killed, & sang in his own services. (He didn't crash due to pilot error; he didn't see a mountain in a snowstorm.)

 

[robycop3]

About TV- My great-grandmother, the only one living in my lifetime, refused to have a TV in her home, & some relatives went to her pastor & asked if he could help with that prob, as they often took turns staying with her to make sure she took her meds for heart probs on time.

Soon, the pastor made a social call on her, & as he prepared to leave, he told her to be sure to watch a certain TV prog as he would be delivering a sermon on it. She explained she had no TV, as she believed it was an instrument of the devil. He walked over to the dishes in the sink waiting to be washed, pulled out a knife, & asked her, "Is THIS an instrument of the devil?" She answered it could become one if it was used to attack another person. The pastor said, "Well, a TV is the same thing. It can be used for good or evil. But unlike this knife, it has an on-off switch, and a channel-changer. If you don't like a certain show, you can turn it off or change channels, same as you can your radio.(She'd had radios for years.) Now the show I'm gonna be on won't be on the radio, so I suggest you get a TV & watch it in good conscience!" HE WAS SUCCESSFUL; a day later she had a grandson tke her to a shop & buy a tv! She watched it daily the rest of her life!

I have some doubts about that man's salvation, as it seems he had a host of false beliefs besides the ones mentioned above, the kicker being the girls' home he established, that soon was being run like a concentration camp, a fact he'd been told, & did nothing about. (Legal action against that home was taken after his death.)

 

[Salty]

Staff doesn't want us using names when we criticize a preacher, so I'm not using his. However, you might recognize who he was from the fact that he piloted his own plane, the one in which he was killed, & sang in his own services. (He didn't crash due to pilot error; he didn't see a mountain in a snowstorm.)

ADMIN NOTE:

I have spoken to the admin team about your post.
What we are concern about is when a person passes away.
So for a period of 30 -90 days after a death, we want to give that individual some respect

So bottom line - it is acceptable to name Lester Leo Roloff (and others)
But we do expect members to use Christian charity when they discuss issues of which they disagree with others - especially those who went have to be with the Lord.


FWIW - I was listening to Paul Harvey on AFN-Europe when he announce "Uncle Rollie died in the plane crash

 

[rlvaughn]

Roby, it seems like you are also being kind of silly. You started a thread on Lester Roloff back in July and didn't use the cloak and dagger secrecy then.

 

[rockytopva]

The strangers to God,
His grace and His love,
Were gathered by blue Galilee.
To listen with joy
To words from the lips
Of the Stranger who sat by the sea.

 

[robycop3]

Roby, it seems like you are also being kind of silly. You started a thread on Lester Roloff back in July and didn't use the cloak and dagger secrecy then.

After reviewing the rules, I chose not to use his name at first, as more than one person reading here believes he was fully legitimate. (OTOH, I believe most here believe Schambach was a {snip})

 

[robycop3]

The strangers to God,
His grace and His love,
Were gathered by blue Galilee.
To listen with joy
To words from the lips
Of the Stranger who sat by the sea.

He didn't sing too well, either.

 

[rlvaughn]

Staff doesn't want us using names when we criticize a preacher, so I'm not using his.

After reviewing the rules, I chose not to use his name at first, as more than one person reading here believes he was fully legitimate.

Now you've given two different explanations. Probably should just leave well enough alone.

 

[Salty]

OK - we got the rules straight - Now, lets talk about the OP
which in part stated:

He then went off the deep end, promoting a veggie diet, saying this dr. he knew told him he'd never seen a case of high cholesterol in a veggie. Then he said people got sick for not following the Leviticus diet, which was herbs & veggies (I DON'T THINK HE READ LEVITICUS TOO CLOSELY, ESPECIALLY CH. 11!)

 

[rlvaughn]

I have some doubts about that man's salvation...

Lester Roloff had several odd ideas, but I do not see those rising to a reason to question his salvation. Even you said a few months back:

...he had his faults, same as we all do. But,..he led many to Jesus.

 

[robycop3]

Lester Roloff had several odd ideas, but I do not see those rising to a reason to question his salvation. Even you said a few months back:

 

[rlvaughn]

??

 

[Yeshua1]

Never heard of him, but did watch that (snip) rev Schambaugh before!

 

[robycop3]

Never heard of him, but did watch that quack rev Schambaugh before!

Roloff's sermons can be heard on the Family Altar radio prog.

 

[rlvaughn]

An interesting take on Lester Roloff from the Waco Tribune:
Brazos Past: Sermons by radio preacher Lester Roloff live on in cyberspace

Born June 28, 1914, the youngest of three sons to Harry Augustus and Sadie Isabel (McKenzie) Roloff, the young Lester was raised in a strict Baptist atmosphere.

Lester Roloff died some 68 years later, in a plane crash during a thunderstorm about 90 miles east of Waco near Normangee on Nov. 2, 1982.

Between those two events, the colorful Central Texan raised a ruckus that his admirers called righteous and others decried as rigid and repressive.

[Note: Waco Tribune is a pay site, but you can view the article by answering three questions, or at least that is what I did.]

 

[rlvaughn]

(He didn't crash due to pilot error; he didn't see a mountain in a snowstorm.)

The Waco Tribune says his plane crashed near Normangee, Texas. I have a great-grand uncle who is buried there, and a second cousin who lives there. No mountains. Hills maybe, but no mountains. Not impossible, but also unlikely there was a snowstorm there in November. More likely a thunderstorm, which the Tribune mentions.

Another part from the Tribune I thought was interesting.

His final break with the Baptist General Convention of Texas came in 1955, when Roloff was banned from KWBU for broadcasting disparaging remarks about his Baptist brothers.

(Ironically, he bought the then-struggling station a year later for $300,000 — $2.3 million in today’s dollars — and changed its call letters to KCTA, Know Christ The Answer. It still operates in Corpus Christi).

 

[Reynolds]

I was listening to a regular radio prog of a well-known evangelist who was killed in a plane crash in 1982, who was supposed to be indy fundy Baptist. While I'm not a regular listener, I happened to be listening today, His sermon was supposed to be about taking drugs, not only illicitly, but for supposed beneficial effects. He started out fine, but then began talking about some old doc who never prescribed a drug, but supposedly had a high cure rate, then, about abuse of 'sleeping pills'. He then began extollin pure water & lemon juice as the great healers, the only ones people need.

He then went off the deep end, promoting a veggie diet, saying this dr. he knew told him he'd never seen a case of high cholesterol in a veggie. Then he said people got sick for not following the Leviticus diet, which was herbs & veggies (I DON'T THINK HE READ LEVITICUS TOO CLOSELY, ESPECIALLY CH. 11!)

While I'd listened to that man's progs off & on for years, I'd never heard anything that goofy from him before!

On a side note, I have often observed that the most effective evangelists often have theological errors.
Some of the most doctrinally sound preachers never or rarely ever win a soul.