a woman teaching

Pastor Larry,

In fairness to Barry, I do not agree entirely with what you have said. I do agree with a lot of it, but there are some areas that I would clarify if this discussion was between us.

God bless

Wayne

 

If Paul is addressing "people" in 3:14, why doesn't he use the plural you? Instead he used the singular(KJV thou), addressing one person, Timothy.

If 3:14 means the preceding teaching is about how people should behave in the church, must bishops only be patient in the church?

 

At the risk of stating the obvious, it was not in the church.

Exactly my point, which is why I have tried to focus on teh words used, the context, and the contrasts given.

 

There are certainly things I would clarify, or be more precise about if I were taking a lot of time to address it. In fairness to Barry, I am not sure how much studying he has done on this, if he doesnt recognize that his arguments are the arguments used by those who believe women can be pastors. Perhaps he does know that, and Helen was the only one who didn't. Quite honestly, I am not sure. And I don't mean to insinuate anything about their integrity in the discussion. I simply wonder how much study has been done if you don't recognize where the arguments come from and what they are used for.

 

What? He is writing to Timothy (the leader of the church whom he addresses by a singular 2 masculine verb) about "how one ought to conduct himself." The "conduct himself" is not singular; it is an infinitive and is generic ... "how one (or people) ought to conduct himself."

As the context makes clear, the qualifications for pastors refer to their whole life and qualify them to lead "in the church."

 

Well, the whole tread was a challenge, a big risk.
People love to tell what they think about an issue but it wont always be full of praise but with an effort to be objective, see through the details and how it could have been better and what was wrong with the picture.

I think thats what was done here.
It offerred a challenge and many responded as they saw it.

Truly, the fist response to the OP said it all, clearly and succinctly! The rest of us just rather aired it all out a little more.

When we risk with an OP, then we must allow responses to flow in, both negative and postive. Just use the news you can use and ask our Lord to give future guidance regarding such scenarios.

 

Sorry for the confusion. My Bible (KJV) reads in verse 15:

But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God

Yet a woman is only not to teach doctrine to men in the church?

 

The church isnt a building, but a select group of believers joined together to worship God. The group of believers could be anywhere but when spoken to, they are spoken to as the church.

 

...like the Baptist Board...

 

The baptist board isn't a church, it's a circus. Thats why it is full of clowns :laugh:

 

Come on now Webdog, We have not joined together here for someone to instruct us but are hashing out issues to clarify what we believe is truth!

BB is NOT a church but does have those present who are part of the church, the elect!

 

In case you already forgot, here is what you posted...

The church isnt a building, but a select group of believers joined together to worship God. The group of believers could be anywhere but when spoken to, they are spoken to as the church.

Please show me anywhere the word "instruct" was used. Can you honestly tell me that you have not learned anything from Helen, Marcia, etc. here on the BB?

 

That is true, however we gather here to debate issues, not to be instructed by anyone in authority. As I said those of the elect are present.

 

I see plenty of people come here looking for instruction, and those with a better understanding instructing them. This OP can be just that...

 

I think the best benefit of BB is to stimulate one to go to the source of all truth and prove their beliefs!
No reflection on any poster at all, but I dont think this is a place of learning. It may be a place of 'clarifying' some fragments you have and to search them out later in a true area of authority, such as commentaries, bible, source books of classic theology.
So much misunderstanding can be found here as there have been over time so many extreme and blatant biblical errors promoted.
We are each responsible to know God and His word and hopefully not to depend on BB as a source!!

 

Basically, people are going to do what they want to do.

 

AMEN! I think of the BB as more of an instigator to send me looking and digging. I have been made aware of things through the BB that I'd not thought of before or not thought of in a particular way.

 

'instigator '

Perfect word to describe this place Bitsy!
'Instigator, agitator, perhaps even motivator, consoler, pacifier, but never as 'teacher'!

BB has made me aware of the great prevalence of error, the famine of the word, the lack of sound doctrine in the 'christian' world. Considering that I certainly would prefer my doctrinal teaching to come from one who knows, and preferably scripture itself!
Sometimes the instigators and agitators serve a purpose in causing one to run find truth. At least that is my prayer!