Abortion question

[Yeshua1]

YOU are the one claiming that David is teaching Original Sin in verse 5. You believe all men are born with a sin nature and MUST sin. That is an EXCUSE sir. It would be completely out of context in David's confession to speak of Original Sin.

And all you have to do is substitute words and it is plain verse 5 is speaking about his mother, not himself.

5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

5 Behold, I was beaten in anger; and in wrath did my mother chastise me.

Again, sustitute words for shapen, iniquity, sin, and conceive and it is absolutely obvious this verse is describing the actions of David's mother, not David.

Now, I don't know exactly what was wrong in David's family, but because of his mother he was treated as the black sheep of the family. When Samuel came and asked Jesse to present his sons at the feast, TWICE Jesse refused to present David. When Samuel persisted, it was found that David was out keeping the sheep like a servant, while all his brothers were invited to the feast. For some reason, David was treated very poorly by his father and brothers.

And it is probably not a stretch to believe David grew up feeling inferior, and maybe even a little guilty because of his mother. And this is what I believe David is expressing in Psalm 51. He actually had fulfilled what his family had always told him, that he was a BUM. He was not worthy of the family name, and certainly not worthy to come to the feast with the great prophet Samuel.

But David is not teaching that all men inherit Adam's sin or sin nature. That IS a stretch.

Do you know of ANY aprt from Jesus in the bible who never sinned though?

Do you remember ALL save him have sinned and fallen short of glory of God?

We are born physically into Adam and His sin, we are born estarnged from God, very nature at war against Him...

When do we go from all right with Him to sinners then?

 

[Winman]

Do you know of ANY aprt from Jesus in the bible who never sinned though?

Of course not. What is your point?

Do you remember ALL save him have sinned and fallen short of glory of God?

EVERYBODY believes this. Again, what is your point?

We are born physically into Adam and His sin, we are born estarnged from God, very nature at war against Him...

We are physical descendants of Adam yes, but sin is not physical. Is a lie physical?

The scriptures do not teach we are born estranged from God, they teach we are made upright, and go astray afterward.

1 Pet 2:25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

A sheep that never belonged to a shepherd and was never in his flock cannot be said to have gone astray. You cannot run away from home unless originally you were in your home.

And Peter says we are now RETURNED to Jesus. You cannot return someplace you have never been. If you were born estranged from Jesus, you could not return to him. So, this verse absolutely proves that all men are not born estranged and separated from God.

You have let people teach you false doctrine, and now you spread false doctrine to others. That is a VERY dangerous thing to do.

When do we go from all right with Him to sinners then?

When we know and understand right from wrong. Paul said he was alive without the law once, but when the commandment came, sin revived and he died. It was learning and understanding right from wrong that convicted Paul as a sinner. This is when he died.

Paul was NOT born dead in sin, he said he was alive without the law once. If Original Sin is true (it isn't) then no man could ever say he was alive once.

So again, you teach false doctrine, VERY dangerous. I wouldn't do that if I were you.

 

[Yeshua1]

Of course not. What is your point?



EVERYBODY believes this. Again, what is your point?



We are physical descendants of Adam yes, but sin is not physical. Is a lie physical?

The scriptures do not teach we are born estranged from God, they teach we are made upright, and go astray afterward.

1 Pet 2:25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

A sheep that never belonged to a shepherd and was never in his flock cannot be said to have gone astray. You cannot run away from home unless originally you were in your home.

And Peter says we are now RETURNED to Jesus. You cannot return someplace you have never been. If you were born estranged from Jesus, you could not return to him. So, this verse absolutely proves that all men are not born estranged and separated from God.

You have let people teach you false doctrine, and now you spread false doctrine to others. That is a VERY dangerous thing to do.



When we know and understand right from wrong. Paul said he was alive without the law once, but when the commandment came, sin revived and he died. It was learning and understanding right from wrong that convicted Paul as a sinner. This is when he died.

Paul was NOT born dead in sin, he said he was alive without the law once. If Original Sin is true (it isn't) then no man could ever say he was alive once.

So again, you teach false doctrine, VERY dangerous. I wouldn't do that if I were you.

How and when do we become sinners then?

 

[Winman]

How and when do we become sinners then?

How? By committing sin.

When? Whenever you knowingly choose to sin.

Now let me ask you a few questions.

Why do we park on a driveway?

Why do we drive on a parkway?

Thanks in advance for your answers.

 

[Yeshua1]

How? By committing sin.

When? Whenever you knowingly choose to sin.

Now let me ask you a few questions.

Why do we park on a driveway?

Why do we drive on a parkway?

Thanks in advance for your answers.

So until ANY chooses to sin, God sees them as still being right with him then?

bablies sin as infants, so is that when our natures change from pyure to sinful then?

So would God excuse and accept those who never denied jesus, whio never heard of him, as never chose to deny him then? Why even preach/missions, ignorance would be bliss!