Abortion

[Earth Wind and Fire]

So you would also say that anyone who has murdered someone cannot become a Christian? Why focus only on abortion? The real topic is sanctity of human life. Do do support the murder of hundreds of thousands of people by US troops fighting needless wars of aggression? Do you support an economic system in which a black child born in Washington DC has a lower life expectancy than a poor child born in India? What about pushing poor people out on the street by not providing affordable housing? Killing them by arguing against affordable health insurance? Capital punishment? The list goes on and on.

I do not focus only on abortion... I focus on a persons actions that are contrary to Christ and I ignore the rest... so do not accuse me of taking the high moral ground or else I might hunt you down and kill ya! (Just kidding)

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

God has ordained the abortion of many children in the womb. What God has chosen to create, God can also end at anytime he wills.

This, however, does not give humans license to play God.

Bingo... only the ones who think there is no God are the ones who play God. There are a world of Christians in Name Only (CINO’s) out there as well, in addition to non believers.

 

[Alcott]

Do you support an economic system in which a black child born in Washington DC has a lower life expectancy than a poor child born in India?

The life expectancy in Washington, D.C., for blacks is 68 for males and 77 for females.
https://www.nature.com/articless41598-020-70046-6

The life expectancy for the poor born on India is 65.1.
https://gh.bmj.com/content/4/3/e001445

So why are you asking a question based on a falsehood?

 

[Alcott]

Yes, I guess you have a point. I repeated Scripture. As a Christian my proof is in the original Arthur. Based on God's character I trust His Word.

That is all the proof I have.

But you are correct in pointing out not all share my presupposition about God's Word.

You did not repeat scripture. You said, "Combining any secular political power and Christianity results in a false religion."

 

[JonC]

You did not repeat scripture. You said, "Combining any secular political power and Christianity results in a false religion."

Ok. I applied Scripture (as Scripture did with the political power of Rome).

We cannot combine Christianity and the World and somehow remain "Christian". We are "called out" from the Workd, called to be a holy people separated to God, a "light", and "salt".

That is my argument. What is the inverse position? Combining Christisnity and the World somehow sanctifies the World? We should blend in with the World? We should yoke ourselves with secular politics? We should appear as if we do not know Christ in order to influence those who do not know Christ?

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

back a ways you said "The difference is that the Republican Party has maintained for over 30 years that "A Democrat can't be a Christian." I

Do you have a link which tells us that was the platform of the Republican party.
and 2 or 3 posters saying that means nothing
Now if you can show us something that hundreds of people said that -
well, that might be a differenet story.

This may be what you were referring to. It's not EWF's post but FTW's.

The difference is that the Republican Party has maintained for over 30 years that "A Democrat can't be a Christian." I've heard this said to me 3 times and you see it plastered all over this board. A Christian is someone who accepts Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior and follows Jesus. Combining ANY other requirement with that is a false religion.

 

[FollowTheWay]

The life expectancy in Washington, D.C., for blacks is 68 for males and 77 for females.
https://www.nature.com/articless41598-020-70046-6

The life expectancy for the poor born on India is 65.1.
https://gh.bmj.com/content/4/3/e001445

So why are you asking a question based on a falsehood?

I have to admit I looked at the data for men which was about 68 in DC as you said. In India the average number is 66.9 for men, 70 for women and overall 68.3. So, my statement is true for male children but not for female children.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

I have to admit I looked at the data for men which was about 68 in DC as you said. In India the average number is 66.9 for men, 70 for women and overall 68.3. So, my statement is true for male children but not for female children.

No, your statement is untrue. The worst the data shows is that black men in DC don't live quite as long as middle class urban Indians. The other stats are as good or better than Indians in their richest quintile.



https://gh.bmj.com/content/4/3/e001445

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-70046-6.pdf

… Do you support an economic system in which a black child born in Washington DC has a lower life expectancy than a poor child born in India?...

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

I have to admit I looked at the data for men which was about 68 in DC as you said. In India the average number is 66.9 for men, 70 for women and overall 68.3. So, my statement is true for male children but not for female children.

So you would also say that anyone who has murdered someone cannot become a Christian? Why focus only on abortion? The real topic is sanctity of human life. Do do support the murder of hundreds of thousands of people by US troops fighting needless wars of aggression? Do you support an economic system in which a black child born in Washington DC has a lower life expectancy than a poor child born in India? What about pushing poor people out on the street by not providing affordable housing? Killing them by arguing against affordable health insurance? Capital punishment? The list goes on and on.

Not only is your DC vs India stat incorrect, DC averages worse than the US overall, and DC is Dem run, not to mention Dem overrun. Dem policies do not improve conditions, they worsen them.

 

[Alcott]

Maybe if we snatched some of India's tigers and turned them loose in D.C. those figures would balance out.

 

[Yeshua1]

All life dies. Does he ignore this?

Ask your son if he is trained to kill. Does God allow for man to kill? Is there something called war? Why was my mentor ordered to shoot his German prisoners during WW2. It haunted him his whole life. Why then was he ordered to kill them? Do you think God was aware of this?

To kill during war is NOT same as murdering babes in the womb!

 

[Yeshua1]

God has ordained the abortion of many children in the womb. What God has chosen to create, God can also end at anytime he wills.

This, however, does not give humans license to play God.

Ordained them, as in directly causing the babes to be killed?
Would that not make out God to be the murderer Himself then?

 

[AustinC]

Ordained them, as in directly causing the babes to be killed?
Would that not make out God to be the murderer Himself then?

When God ordains your death, will it make him your murderer?

 

[FollowTheWay]

Not only is your DC vs India stat incorrect, DC averages worse than the US overall, and DC is Dem run, not to mention Dem overrun. Dem policies do not improve conditions, they worsen them.

My stat on male children as I stated is correct. The numbers are from the same two sources you used. I made a public health statement not a political jab as you did. Trump lost by a large margin. Get over it.

 

[Yeshua1]

When God ordains your death, will it make him your murderer?

Never thought of it in that fashion, but are you saying that God determined and caused all abortions then Himself?

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

My stat on male children as I stated is correct. The numbers are from the same two sources you used. I made a public health statement not a political jab as you did. Trump lost by a large margin. Get over it.

LOL. Your posts typically abused the stats, misleadingly raised the issues, then instead of dealing with the facts when confronted you make a TDS retort along the lines of, “Trump—not my president.” SMH.

BTW, if you want to raise life expectancy of black babies, perhaps you should start by valuing life instead of supporting aborting the lives of innocent babies in the womb.

 

[AustinC]

Never thought of it in that fashion, but are you saying that God determined and caused all abortions then Himself?

I am saying that God has said "yes" to the death of children in the womb just as he said yes to a person being killed in war or killed in some other fashion. God allows the effect of man's sinful corruption to come to its end result in many ways, including the death of infants in the womb by natural abortion.
We must remember that God is not obligated to stave off the effects of the fall at any age. He is good in choosing to cause conception and choosing to bring death in the womb or outside the womb. Our task is to praise God when he brings good and also when he brings evil.

 

[Yeshua1]

I am saying that God has said "yes" to the death of children in the womb just as he said yes to a person being killed in war or killed in some other fashion. God allows the effect of man's sinful corruption to come to its end result in many ways, including the death of infants in the womb by natural abortion.
We must remember that God is not obligated to stave off the effects of the fall at any age. He is good in choosing to cause conception and choosing to bring death in the womb or outside the womb. Our task is to praise God when he brings good and also when he brings evil.

Does he directly cause those abortions, or that he permits that murder tobe done at the time He knows will be?

 

[AustinC]

Does he directly cause those abortions, or that he permits that murder tobe done at the time He knows will be?

Nature aborts children. God gives approval to this abortion. (We generally call it a "miscarriage.")

 

[Yeshua1]

Nature aborts children. God gives approval to this abortion. (We generally call it a "miscarriage.")

I do not know if he "gives approval;", but permits it as a direct result of being in a fallen world!