Actors and actress who claim to be Christian

[freeatlast]

Is it permissible to do things that God has stated in His word as sin as long as we do not really mean it. Does that make those things not to be sin? For instance if your wife or husband passionately kissed another person at work that would be sin and the start of unfaithfulness. Is it sin when an actor or actress who is married to passionately kiss another to make a movie or TV program?

 

[Mexdeaf]

Depends upon if they call it a "holy kiss" or not.

:laugh:

 

[Judith]

It would still be sin. Just because a spouse is willing to allow an open marriage for the purpose of mamon it does not make the action any less a sin.

 

[convicted1]

Is it permissible to do things that God has stated in His word as sin as long as we do not really mean it. Does that make those things not to be sin? For instance if your wife or husband passionately kissed another person at work that would be sin and the start of unfaithfulness. Is it sin when an actor or actress who is married to passionately kiss another to make a movie or TV program?

One big problem. Many claim the name Jesus, but Jesus doesn't claim them.

 

[convicted1]

It would still be sin. Just because a spouse is willing to allow an open marriage for the purpose of mamon it does not make the action any less a sin.

Amen, Sister, amen!! :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[freeatlast]

One big problem. Many claim the name Jesus, but Jesus doesn't claim them.

Yes a serious and frightening thing.

 

[convicted1]

Yes a serious and frightening thing.

I agree wholeheartedly. They want to have Jesus in name only, and at the same time, wallow in the mud with the other hogs.

Just look at the show "Real Housewives of Orange County". My wife loves this show, but to me, it's a bunch of fake blondes, with one brunette, who parade around showing their wealth. One of these women goes to a church pastored by Jentenzen Franklin, of TBN frame. When the show comes on, her lines are, "God is my Saviour, my husband my king, and my body's sinful". Does that sound Christlike to you? I've just enough of this show to know it's not for me.


Alexis Bellino stated the bolded line.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Real_Housewives_of_Orange_County#Alexis_Bellino

 

[GBC Pastor]

What is the intent of the heart?

 

[freeatlast]

What is the intent of the heart?

A good heart does not do things that are inconsistent with the precepts and principles of God. The idea that one can be doing good because the intent of the heart is seeking good while doing evil is false and not supported by scripture.

 

[Jerome]

Big movie star explains: I'm not really being unfaithful to my spouse, we're just making it look that way.

Hoda Kotb and Kathie Lee Gifford Talk to Actor Kirk Cameron

the filmmakers employed a bit of movie magic, Cameron explained. They dressed his wife, actress Chelsea Noble, like the movie’s female lead. . . ."So when I’m kissing my wife, we’re actually husband and wife"

There you go:
Get your wife hired as 'smooch double'
Dress her up just like the movie's starlet
Then smack away!

 

[saturneptune]

There is one ultimate answer to the fake actresses and actors. It is called the off button on the remote control.

 

[Van]

I think the Bible is pretty clear, sin appears to be attractive on the surface. I love watching movies, whether action/adventure or biopic or whatever, including such shows as modern marvels. They can be helpful, either as rest to recharge my batteries, or educational. So if the message is truth, not a bad thing.

But "re-creation" where truth is depicted rather than shown gathers folks engaged in deception perhaps for a good cause. Compare that with reading a book where my mind supplies the pictures if you will.

Some of the best sermon's I have been exposed to were narrative, where the speaker portrayed a biblical figure, such as John the Baptist or that fisherman called Peter.

Bottom line, its the message that matters, and sex or foreplay seems unnecessary to build others up in the way they should go.

I liked the movie Sleepless in Seattle, its music, charming Meg Ryan, and the humor. But it strongly advocated for sex outside of marriage, so at its core, it was yet another attractive looking invitation to deviate from the Word of God.

 

[Judith]

Big movie star explains: I'm not really being unfaithful to my spouse, we're just making it look that way.

Hoda Kotb and Kathie Lee Gifford Talk to Actor Kirk Cameron



There you go:
Get your wife hired as 'smooch double'
Dress her up just like the movie's starlet
Then smack away!

Good for Kirk Cameron as far as he went. However just because in reality he is kissing his own wife and not another woman I think he is still sending the wrong message to those watching as they do not know what is really happening. In other words it is good that he is holding high standards in regards to his wife, but I also think we have a responsibility to make sure we are not simply holding to values towards our partner while it looks like we are being unfaithful.

 

[HankD]

A good heart does not do things that are inconsistent with the precepts and principles of God. The idea that one can be doing good because the intent of the heart is seeking good while doing evil is false and not supported by scripture.

I disagree that a "good heart" does not do things that are inconsistent with the precepts and principles of God but should not.

In actuality it happens and is a problem in the church today.

Take the Corinthians for instance, Paul calls them saints but they were involved in some very unsaintly behavior or the church at Thyatira who were committing porneia.

They had been taught by Jezebel to do these things, it was not the norm and the Lord warned them of punishment.

However, that these things can be done does not justify the depiction/glorification of unlawful lust or a child of God being involved in its glorification even though it is not actually committed but simulated, there must of necessity be a likemindedness.

James 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.​

1 John 2

15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.​

1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.​

HankD​

 

[Judith]

The off button may work for those who are mature in the faith, but for the many who are not and by watching them it sends a wrong message and can cause them to believe the idea as long as I do not mean evil my actions are justified.
Not only that all this does is play into the hands of the lost to criticize and justify their sins. The ultimate answer is to live our lives in everything we do as unto the Lord and this is something that many who claim to be Christians and in entertainment need to learn and practice. Truly money is the root of all sorts of evil as they would not be kissing this other person if they had not sold themselves to the all mighty dollar.

 

[freeatlast]

I disagree that a "good heart" does not do things that are inconsistent with the precepts and principles of God but should not.

In actuality it happens and is a problem in the church today.

Take the Corinthians for instance, Paul calls them saints but they were involved in some very unsaintly behavior or the church at Thyatira who were committing porneia.

They had been taught by Jezebel to do these things, it was not the norm and the Lord warned them of punishment.

However, that these things can be done does not justify the depiction/glorification of unlawful lust or a child of God being involved in its glorification even though it is not actually committed but simulated, there must of necessity be a likemindedness.

James 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.​

1 John 2

15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.​

1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.​

HankD​

I understand what you are saying but every sin comes from the heart according to scripture and no evil thing can come from a pure and good heart according to the Lord. The fact that a person has a heart for God and is saved does not mean that every area of the heart has been dealt with.

 

[HankD]

I understand what you are saying but every sin comes from the heart according to scripture and no evil thing can come from a pure and good heart according to the Lord. The fact that a person has a heart for God and is saved does not mean that every area of the heart has been dealt with.

Agreed.

But many mighty men and women of God have fallen.

1 Peter 5

8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.​

Galatians 6
1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.​

HankD​

 

[gb93433]

Is it permissible to do things that God has stated in His word as sin as long as we do not really mean it. Does that make those things not to be sin?

Where would you put a doctor seeing patients of the opposite sex?

 

[Steadfast Fred]

I agree wholeheartedly. They want to have Jesus in name only, and at the same time, wallow in the mud with the other hogs.

Just look at the show "Real Housewives of Orange County". My wife loves this show, but to me, it's a bunch of fake blondes, with one brunette, who parade around showing their wealth. One of these women goes to a church pastored by Jentenzen Franklin, of TBN frame. When the show comes on, her lines are, "God is my Saviour, my husband my king, and my body's sinful". Does that sound Christlike to you? I've just enough of this show to know it's not for me.


Alexis Bellino stated the bolded line.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Real_Housewives_of_Orange_County#Alexis_Bellino

Another one that is highly questionable is "Dog, the Bounty Hunter" (A&E finally cancelled them after 8 years). Dog and his wife claim to be Christian, and pray on practically every show, but both of them have been known to curse like a sailor on those same episodes too.


And what of Duck Dynasty? They never curse (that I have heard) and have prayer over evening meals at the end of each show. But Phil does say some things that give cause for concern at times.

 

[Alcott]

Is it permissible to do things that God has stated in His word as sin as long as we do not really mean it. .... Is it sin when an actor or actress who is married to passionately kiss another to make a movie or TV program?

Is acting a sin? Are the entire motion picture and live theater enterprises sin? Is community/amateur theater, and a dramatic presentation in church, sin?

You can argue that, I suppose. Stabbing Caesar with a rubber sword and spilling fake blood; smacking a kiss on Sleeping Beauty's face; carrying a model of Macbeth's head from your unseen act of cutting it off with your sword... at the least, hypocrisy is sin, and you obviously "do not really mean it."

Is that an understood exception to normal standards, akin to Jesus pointing out the Pharisees break fhe sabbath by pulling their ox out of a pit if he falls into it, since they accused Jesus of of breaking sabbath by healing on that day.

Or does it come down to whether entertainment is a sin, in that it can't be done without camping on the edge of sin, which youth ministers have the responsibility to tell young people not to do?

Finally, if we do take the Puritan course of no amusements, no games, nothing but plainness and work on normal days and prayer and fasting on days without work, does that really result in less sin-- or more? Puritan New England had a high crime rate, it should be noted, in spite such strict standards and harsh punishments.