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Acts 13:48 and Election

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Brightfame52

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Silverhair said:
Correct God has a predetermined plan that man, and to answer your post Satan, would have a free will with which to make choices.
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So God is the first cause of sin and evil, it was predetermined by Him b4 anything was created. God predetermined who would sin willingly and then hold them accountable for it.
 
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Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
So God is the first cause of sin and evil, it was predetermined by Him b4 anything was created. God predetermined who would sin willingly and then hold them accountable for it.
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According to your deterministic philosophy, yes.

But since your view is not biblical that is not what the bible shows.
 
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Ben1445

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Brightfame52 said:
False, thats not in scripture. Eternal life is promised to chosen heirs, they are called heirs of promise Heb 1:14

14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Heb 6:17

Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath:
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Revelation 22.17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

It’s there. You just have to read it.
 
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Ben1445

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Brightfame52 said:
How could he be the cause of his own evil if God wasnt his first cause ?
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Start listening to the Teacher and apply the lesson.
Mark 3
And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand. And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end.
If God is the originator of evil then He can’t be good, righteous, or eternal.
 
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Ben1445

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Brightfame52 said:
No is correct, and he exercised his freewill as God predetermined he should do b4 He created him.
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Professing themselves to be wise they become fools.
It is not free will if you don’t have a choice. If it is predetermined, there is no choice involved.
There is a severe lack of understanding and comprehension that is evident in your position.
The way you contradict yourself makes it difficult to communicate with you.
Sit for a moment and think about what you said and be as critical to your own statement as possible. Find the error in your logic and correct it with proper application of Scripture.
 
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Brightfame52

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Ben1445 said:
Start listening to the Teacher and apply the lesson.
Mark 3
And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand. And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end.
If God is the originator of evil then He can’t be good, righteous, or eternal.
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God created the devil correct ?
 
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Brightfame52

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Ben1445 said:
Professing themselves to be wise they become fools.
It is not free will if you don’t have a choice. If it is predetermined, there is no choice involved.
There is a severe lack of understanding and comprehension that is evident in your position.
The way you contradict yourself makes it difficult to communicate with you.
Sit for a moment and think about what you said and be as critical to your own statement as possible. Find the error in your logic and correct it with proper application of Scripture.
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correct, and he exercised his freewill as God predetermined he should do b4 He created him.
 
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Ben1445

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Brightfame52 said:
That scripture doesnt change anything
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Who is whosoever?
Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Jesus said preach the gospel to every creature.
That would be all. Every person.

I don’t know how to talk to you if you can look at Scripture and say, I don’t believe that. I won’t change my mind.
 
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Ben1445

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Brightfame52 said:
God created the devil correct ?
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When a machinist makes a part for a machine, when the metal rusts and corrupts, did the machinist do that? He was as the cause of the machined part.
To answer your question. Yes. God made Lucifer. It is also true that Lucifer could not have done anything wrong if God hadn’t made him.
If God is the cause of sin, how is He righteous? The real answer is He would not be.
The Calvinist answer is, “You don’t understand.” Which is equivalent to “I don’t have a good answer.”

It is wrong to attribute to God the works of the devil.
 
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Ben1445

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Brightfame52 said:
correct, and he exercised his freewill as God predetermined he should do b4 He created him.
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Or you can just double down on stupidity.
To make someone do something is not free will.
You could profit by the use of a dictionary. Your statement is not compatible with itself.
 
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Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
Okay, so if God didnt want him to sin and bring evil, He didnt have to create Him, that was Gods freewill choice
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True but again what is your point.

God created Satan and gave Him a free will and Satan used that free will to sin.

God had perfect foreknowledge of what Satan would do but God did not predetermine that Satan would do it.

Foreknowledge; knowledge of events before they take place. Absolute prescience belongs to God only.

Predestination, The act of decreeing or foreordaining events; the decree of God by which he hath, from eternity, unchangeably appointed or determined whatever comes to pass.

Can you see the difference BF?
 
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Brightfame52

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Ben1445 said:
Who is whosoever?
Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Jesus said preach the gospel to every creature.
That would be all. Every person.

I don’t know how to talk to you if you can look at Scripture and say, I don’t believe that. I won’t change my mind.
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whosoever is jew or gentile
 
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Brightfame52

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Ben1445 said:
When a machinist makes a part for a machine, when the metal rusts and corrupts, did the machinist do that? He was as the cause of the machined part.
To answer your question. Yes. God made Lucifer. It is also true that Lucifer could not have done anything wrong if God hadn’t made him.
If God is the cause of sin, how is He righteous? The real answer is He would not be.
The Calvinist answer is, “You don’t understand.” Which is equivalent to “I don’t have a good answer.”

It is wrong to attribute to God the works of the devil.
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God created the devil correct ?
 
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Brightfame52

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Silverhair said:
True but again what is your point.

God created Satan and gave Him a free will and Satan used that free will to sin.

God had perfect foreknowledge of what Satan would do but God did not predetermine that Satan would do it.

Foreknowledge; knowledge of events before they take place. Absolute prescience belongs to God only.

Predestination, The act of decreeing or foreordaining events; the decree of God by which he hath, from eternity, unchangeably appointed or determined whatever comes to pass.

Can you see the difference BF?
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My point is God is the first cause of evil
but God did not predetermine that Satan would do it.
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Could he do it if God didnt create him ? Was God obligated to create him ?
 
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