Adoption - Am I missing something

[Van]

Excellent contributions by some posters on this thread.

The Greek word mistranslated as "adoption" means "son" or child placing. Thus a "son" or child is not made or created or begotten by the action, only an existing son (or child) is placed or put into some location or condition. Four of the five usages, all but Romans 9:4, refer to bestowing the full rights of being a son or child upon maturity, like obtaining the full rights of citizenship in a family. These four usages refer to our bodily redemption, which is promised (pledged) with our indwelt "Spirit of Adoption." Since we have the Spirit, we know were are children of God, thus able to cry out Father, Father.

When we were born anew, a child of God we were then predestined as a child of God to our future bodily redemption. Thus rather than the mistranslation "adoption" there four verses should translated the Greek "son placing" as "future bodily redemption."

Which brings up to Romans 9:4 where the "son placing" does not refer to our future bodily redemption since it is included in a list with the "promises" one of which is our future bodily redemption. Therefore the word is used to refer to God setting "believing descendants of Abraham" apart with the bestowal of forerunner service for the coming Christ.

Anyway, that is my two cents.

 

[JesusFan]

Excellent contributions by some posters on this thread.

The Greek word mistranslated as "adoption" means "son" or child placing. Thus a "son" or child is not made or created or begotten by the action, only an existing son (or child) is placed or put into some location or condition. Four of the five usages, all but Romans 9:4, refer to bestowing the full rights of being a son or child upon maturity, like obtaining the full rights of citizenship in a family. These four usages refer to our bodily redemption, which is promised (pledged) with our indwelt "Spirit of Adoption." Since we have the Spirit, we know were are children of God, thus able to cry out Father, Father.

When we were born anew, a child of God we were then predestined as a child of God to our future bodily redemption. Thus rather than the mistranslation "adoption" there four verses should translated the Greek "son placing" as "future bodily redemption."

Which brings up to Romans 9:4 where the "son placing" does not refer to our future bodily redemption since it is included in a list with the "promises" one of which is our future bodily redemption. Therefore the word is used to refer to God setting "believing descendants of Abraham" apart with the bestowal of forerunner service for the coming Christ.

Anyway, that is my two cents.

We cannot call God Abba unless we have been adopted into the beloved, and have eternal life and adoption into the family of God right now

 

[37818]

Which brings up to Romans 9:4 where the "son placing" does not refer to our future bodily redemption since it is included in a list with the "promises" one of which is our future bodily redemption.

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[37818]

We cannot call God Abba unless we have been adopted into the beloved, and have eternal life and adoption into the family of God right now

Not true. Romans 8:16. Romans 8:23. 1 John 3:2.

 

[JesusFan]

Not true. Romans 8:16. Romans 8:23. 1 John 3:2.

Being justified by Jesus, we are right now children of God, confirmed by the sealing of and By the Holy Spirit

 

[Van]

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Excellent contributions by some posters on this thread.
The Greek word mistranslated as "adoption" means "son" or child placing. Thus a "son" or child is not made or created or begotten by the action, only an existing son (or child) is placed or put into some location or condition. Four of the five usages, all but Romans 9:4, refer to bestowing the full rights of being a son or child upon maturity, like obtaining the full rights of citizenship in a family. These four usages refer to our bodily redemption, which is promised (pledged) with our indwelt "Spirit of Adoption." Since we have the Spirit, we know were are children of God, thus able to cry out Father, Father.
When we were born anew, a child of God we were then predestined as a child of God to our future bodily redemption. Thus rather than the mistranslation "adoption" there four verses should translated the Greek "son placing" as "future bodily redemption."
Which brings us to Romans 9:4 where the "son placing" does not refer to our future bodily redemption since it is included in a list with the "promises" one of which is our future bodily redemption. Therefore the word is used to refer to God setting "believing descendants of Abraham" apart with the bestowal of forerunner service for the coming Christ.
Anyway, that is my two cents.

 

[37818]

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Excellent contributions by some posters on this thread.
The Greek word mistranslated as "adoption" means "son" or child placing. Thus a "son" or child is not made or created or begotten by the action, only an existing son (or child) is placed or put into some location or condition. Four of the five usages, all but Romans 9:4, refer to bestowing the full rights of being a son or child upon maturity, like obtaining the full rights of citizenship in a family. These four usages refer to our bodily redemption, which is promised (pledged) with our indwelt "Spirit of Adoption." Since we have the Spirit, we know were are children of God, thus able to cry out Father, Father.
When we were born anew, a child of God we were then predestined as a child of God to our future bodily redemption. Thus rather than the mistranslation "adoption" there four verses should translated the Greek "son placing" as "future bodily redemption."
Which brings us to Romans 9:4 where the "son placing" does not refer to our future bodily redemption since it is included in a list with the "promises" one of which is our future bodily redemption. Therefore the word is used to refer to God setting "believing descendants of Abraham" apart with the bestowal of forerunner service for the coming Christ.
Anyway, that is my two cents.

A son or daughter of God is in the believer's redemption of the physical body is being placed as a son or daughter.

 

[Van]

A son or daughter of God is in the believer's redemption of the physical body is being placed as a son or daughter.

I have no idea of what you are expressing.

1) Are you claiming we, as born anew children of God, are already in our redeemed physical bodies? If so, that is false doctrine.
2) Are you claiming when we are spiritually placed into Christ's spiritual body, that is our "son (or child) placing, adoption.? If so, that is false doctrine.

 

[37818]

I have no idea of what you are expressing.

1) Are you claiming we, as born anew children of God, are already in our redeemed physical bodies? If so, that is false doctrine.
2) Are you claiming when we are spiritually placed into Christ's spiritual body, that is our "son (or child) placing, adoption.? If so, that is false doctrine.

We being born again are sons and daughters of God now. The future redemption of our bodies is our placement as sons and daughters to be like Christ. Romans 8:23. 1 John 3:2.

 

[Van]

We being born again are sons and daughters of God now. The future redemption of our bodies is our placement as sons and daughters to be like Christ. Romans 8:23. 1 John 3:2.

No, our son or child placement is the redemption of our bodies, Romans 8:23. No need to add to scripture.

 

[JesusFan]

No, our son or child placement is the redemption of our bodies, Romans 8:23. No need to add to scripture.

We call upon God right now as the Heavenly Father, per Hebrews God does not discipline any illegimate chidren, so once saved are adopted as His children right now

 

[Van]

We call upon God right now as the Heavenly Father, per Hebrews God does not discipline any illegimate chidren, so once saved are adopted as His children right now

What has this post have to do with the topic. Every born anew believer is a child of God, able to call God our Father.
The issue is an attempt by those twisting scripture to say our "child placing" is something more than our bodily redemption at Christ's second coming. All these scriptural additions are simply more false doctrines from the dark ages.

 

[JesusFan]

What has this post have to do with the topic. Every born anew believer is a child of God, able to call God our Father.
The issue is an attempt by those twisting scripture to say our "child placing" is something more than our bodily redemption at Christ's second coming. All these scriptural additions are simply more false doctrines from the dark ages.

We are adopted by the father right when saved and justified, not at second coming event

 

[Van]

We are adopted by the father right when saved and justified, not at second coming event

Folks, note this poster seems not to comprehend Romans 8:23.