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Note the absence of any citation. The "incorrect" claim is pure fiction. In order that we might win so addresses the future saving of souls.

1 Corinthians 9:22
To the weak I became weak, that I might gain the weak; I have become all things to all people, so that I may by all means save some.​

 

Pay no attention to those who post obvious falsehoods such as "are you suggesting (implying I am suggesting) Christ failed.

I addressed the tenses. You did not address my rebuttal.

How could Paul win some if everyone was already chosen? No response!

Note how some endlessly proclaim false doctrine, but cannot even understand the verses mentioned?

I have quoted lexicon after lexicon indicating the widely accepted view that drawing means attraction by lovingkindness. No rebuttal.

And again, not of My Sheep refers to those with closed minds, those not open to the good news. My views are from scripture, your views were made up in the dark ages.

Lastly did you see where this poster claims from eternity is the same as since creation. I kid you not...

 

The above is yet another non-stop nonsense post.

1. Election occurs when God chooses an individual for salvation by utilizing their faith in the truth. Thus Paul's ministry is to those open to God's word.

2. God is Sovereign as He either causes or allows whatsoever to come to pass.

3. Since Calvinists say God is not the author of sin, Calvinism is a form of "open theism" and so also a claimed heresy.

4. Those born anew are sealed with the Holy Spirit as a pledge to our FUTURE adoption, the redemption of our bodies.

5. 1 Peter 2:9-10 precludes anyone being chosen as a people until after they have existed as "not a people." Therefore Ephesians 1:4 refers to our corporate election, not our individual election.

6. In John 6:37 the tense of "gives" is present, not past indicating an ongoing active. Thus God did not give everyone before creation.

7. Everything progresses as God has predestined, which of course includes everything not predestined to progress as not predestined. The Bible says things happen by chance.

8. No one claimed a "rogue molecule" thus a strawman obfuscation.

9. Each believer was drawn and learned from the Father, but not all drawn learned as the 2d and 3d soils of Matthew 13 demonstrate.

 

1) Did anyone say the lost person's faith "merits" salvation? Nope
2) To repeat, our election before the foundation of the world is corporate. This position was ignored.
3) Here the absurd claim is God predestined whatsoever comes to pass, but is not the author of sin. Go figure...
4) Again, our "adoption" the redemption of our bodies is future.
5) 1 Peter 2:9-10 precludes individual election before we were once not a people.
6) You are reducing God's Sovereignty by rewriting His word. John 6:37 says God gives people to Christ in the present tense, thus all were not given before creation.
7) Ditto, you are reducing God's Sovereignty by claiming God's word does not say things happen by chance.
8) God is sovereign, and His allowance of chance demonstrates His Sovereignty.
9) Ditto yet again, the 2d and 3d soils received the gospel, and thus they believed in at least part of it. To claim a person receives the gospel with joy, yet does not believe any part of it is just another absurd argument.

 

Your response was non-germane
You addressed faith meriting salvation. Not my view.
All your responses did not address my view, but addressed strawmen of your own construction..

 

John 14:23
Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will follow My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our dwelling with him.

1) Everyone who actually loves Christ, will follow His word.
2) Those who actually love Christ will be loved by God the Father.
3) Both the Father and the Son will indwell everyone who actually loves Christ.

So faith in the Gospel of Christ includes heart-felt, deep seated, love for Christ and all He stands for, salvation, forgiveness, justice, and obedience to our God and Lord, Christ Jesus.

 

You need to address my actual positions, and not you false assertions devoid of quotes.

Note the ploy of avoiding the topic and turning the discussion to my behavior. This is the sin qua non of false teachers defending the indefensible.

 

Yet another "taint so" post devoid of specifics, just generalizations. Go figure...
And note how my behavior and not the biblical positions presented are addressed.

 

Condensed Version of Opening Post:

1) All that hear and understand the gospel have opportunity for salvation.
2) All that hear, understand and learn are given to Christ
3) All given to Christ are saved and will be raised up on the last day.

To be given to Christ refers to God choosing to transfer an individual whose faith God has credited as righteous faith, from the realm of darkness into the marvelous light of the Kingdom of His Beloved Son. This spiritual relocation is referred to in scripture using several terms. For example, in 2 Thessalonians 2:13 and 1 Peter 1:2, the transfer into Christ's spiritual body is said to be the sanctification by the Spirit or sanctifying work of the Spirit. To sanctify refers to being set apart for God's purpose in these usages. Another term used to describe the same relocation, is baptism, as in Romans 6:3 where individuals are baptized into Christ. Yet another is the term "called" as in called you out of darkness into His marvelous light, 1 Peter 2:9. Lastly Colossians 1:13 plainly and clearly refers to the relocation as transferred.

Where are our human spirits before the transfer? In Adam.
Where are our human spirits after the transfer? In Christ.

 

Yet another term used to refer to God transferring an individual chosen and set apart in Christ is "believes in (into) Him. See John 3:16. The idea is if God credits a person's faith as righteous faith, God then sets the person apart in Christ. Thus the person is said to have believed into Him or believing into Him.

 

John 6:37 (NASB95)
“All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out."

The tense of Father gives Me is present, thus refers to an ongoing activity, not something completed before creation.

Will come to Me refers to a future arrival into Christ's spiritual body, so the action of the Father precedes entry into Christ.

The one coming (in the present tense) to Me refers to those who will arrive and enter

And these Christ will never cast out, thus once saved, always saved.