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Am I in sin?

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annsni

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I really need to understand this......What is it with you people? Beer & liquor in general is not in it self sinful. Its the ignoramuses who allow it to control them that use it to alter their minds that are the sinners. I mean is it cultural? Have you been raised to look at beer & liquor as devils brew? My good Lord, Christ drank it? So what is the problem? Just amazing!!!
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No need to resort to name calling. You live in New Jersey which is very similar to my area of New York - Long Island. Alcoholism is rampant - that is the problem. I love a good beer - and many other drinks but we've chosen to not partake because of our ministry. Is drinking wrong overall? No. I drinking wrong for many? Absolutely. Is NOT drinking wrong? No - not when it's done for the proper reasons.

This man has a negative view of alcohol and it bothers him that he works there. I don't understand how one can work for a company that stands for something that makes him uncomfortable. But that's me.

Bottom line is that this gentleman is uncomfortable with working there - is not happy - and wondering if it's a sin. If he has these feelings - whether or not they are "right" - he needs to deal with that and for now, if he believes it is a sin, it's a sin for him.
 
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InTheLight said:
FAIL.
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If you say so.



What does God say?

Isaiah 25:6
On this mountain the Lord Almighty will prepare
a feast of rich food for all peoples,
a banquet of aged wine—
the best of meats and the finest of wines.
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You do recognize that those are two different things? A banquet of aged wine is NOT an antecedent for best of meats and the finest of wines for OBVIOUS reasons.
 
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Zaac said:
You do recognize that those are two different things? A banquet of aged wine is NOT an antecedent for best of meats and the finest of wines for OBVIOUS reasons.
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HA HA HA HA HA HA ha ha!!

The interpretation gymnastics you have to do to reach your conclusions is hilarious!
 
Zaac

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InTheLight said:
HA HA HA HA HA HA ha ha!!

The interpretation gymnastics you have to do to reach your conclusions is hilarious!
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That didn't have anything to do with my interpretation but everything to do with your READING.

You've essentially said that banquet of aged wines is the same thing as the best of meats and the finest wines. And again, for obvious reasons, that isn't so.

So unless you're going through God's word replacing every instance of aged wines with "the best of meats and the finest wines", your attempt at whatever you think you're trying to explain fails miserably. :laugh:
 
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If drinking is such a controversial subject (as is obvious by reading any thread here regarding the subject) and causes us to belittle and laugh at one another as brothers and sisters in Christ on these threads, how more so foolish do we appear in the eyes of nonbelievers when we do as they do and act as they do? Shouldn't we be an example to separate ourselves from the world rather than being a part of the world that's just looking for an excuse to justify their behavior?
 
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Zaac said:
The best wine was freshly squeezed just as people say about freshly squeezed orange juice.

Grape juice(freshly squeezed) was considered the best wine, not the rotting, decaying juice.
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The Bible disagrees with you. The 'best' is well aged (Isaiah 25:6)
 
webdog

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Zaac said:
What argument?Where in the OT do you see any mention of wine associated with the Passover? What use of any word of scripture says that Passover wine is fermented?

Your question is irrelevant because you have no Scriptural basis for saying what Jesus drank at Passover. Neither do you have any Biblical basis for assuming that Passover wine was fermented.



If they weren't allowed to have yeast(leaven) in the dwelling, then that would throw out fermented wine as being used.

And for the record, the ancient Jews were capable of preserving grapes and keep grape juice from fermenting from up to a year.



And your type is why there are alcoholics.
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You really need to do more studying before making these kind of posts. Here's Passover 101... http://christianity.about.com/od/biblefeastsandholidays/p/passoverfeast.htm

You clearly dont understand the process of fermentation, either. There is no yeast in alcoholic wine...but freshly squeezed grape juice is full of it. Try again...
 
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Born Again said:
If drinking is such a controversial subject (as is obvious by reading any thread here regarding the subject) and causes us to belittle and laugh at one another as brothers and sisters in Christ on these threads, how more so foolish do we appear in the eyes of nonbelievers when we do as they do and act as they do? Shouldn't we be an example to separate ourselves from the world rather than being a part of the world that's just looking for an excuse to justify their behavior?
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You are right. Since the world abuses food and sex we should never partake of either of those either.
 
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Zaac said:
The best wine was freshly squeezed just as people say about freshly squeezed orange juice.

Grape juice(freshly squeezed) was considered the best wine, not the rotting, decaying juice.
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Webdog is correct. A wine "on the lees" is not grape juice.
 
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Zaac said:
That didn't have anything to do with my interpretation but everything to do with your READING.

You've essentially said that banquet of aged wines is the same thing as the best of meats and the finest wines. And again, for obvious reasons, that isn't so.

So unless you're going through God's word replacing every instance of aged wines with "the best of meats and the finest wines", your attempt at whatever you think you're trying to explain fails miserably. :laugh:
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Um...this probably won't be appreciated, but....

Isaiah 25:6
On this mountain the Lord Almighty will prepare
a feast of rich food for all peoples,
a banquet of aged wine—
the best of meats and the finest of wines.
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It doesn't say "a banquet of aged wine" is an antecedent for "the best of meats and the finest of wines"; it says "a feast of rich food for all peoples, a banquet of aged wine" is an antecedent for "the best of meats and the finest of wines."

"The best of meats" describes "a feast of rich food"; so "the finest of wines" describes "a banquet of aged wine."
 
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Born Again said:
Which one/ones would you feel comfortable doing while witnessing and bringing someone to Christ?
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Silly question. I feel comfortable doing all of them in their context. Having a burger and a beer is an ideal environment for sharing the Gospel, and I have.
 
Earth Wind and Fire

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annsni said:
No need to resort to name calling. You live in New Jersey which is very similar to my area of New York - Long Island. Alcoholism is rampant - that is the problem.
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No its not....Just because alcohol is available doesnt mean someone automatically turns into a drunk. People need to evaluate the situation & if they have a drinking problem, stop drinking. If you cant stop drinking, then go to an AA meeting.

This man has a negative view of alcohol and it bothers him that he works there. I don't understand how one can work for a company that stands for something that makes him uncomfortable. But that's me.
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You do know what the obvious question is, right!

Bottom line is that this gentleman is uncomfortable with working there - is not happy - and wondering if it's a sin. If he has these feelings - whether or not they are "right" - he needs to deal with that and for now, if he believes it is a sin, it's a sin for him.
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Its not a sin & he knows it!
 
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webdog said:
Silly question. I feel comfortable doing all of them in their context. Having a burger and a beer is an ideal environment for sharing the Gospel, and I have.
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Be careful not to get burger grease or beer spill on your Bible while witnessing to the lost.
 
Earth Wind and Fire

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Born Again said:
Yea, while the lost person you're witnessing to is observing you.
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Yea....because he will see a person who can actually control himself & still love the Lord.....because the two are not mutually exclusive. If WebDog has lead a person to Christ in a bar, what do you care? If he has had a beer with the guy, and still displayed the heart & mind of a Bible Believing Christian....then who are you to judge!:BangHead:
 
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