Am I in sin?

[evangelist6589]

Originally Posted by Earth, Wind & Fire
So what exactly is it that you are afraid of that your running away? Did Christ run away from the Tax Collectors, The Harlots, the Pharisees, The Romans? No he did not, he faced them, was criticized for eating & drinking with them, allowing them to wash his feet.
Again, nice try. Ain't nobody here afraid. And you have no idea what Christ drank with them.

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If you run in the opposite direction you will never ever touch the flesh of Christ because it is there residing with the sinful, waiting for someone to tell them about Christ. However you want to run away, you want to sit with the same type of individual that you are, all the time knowing you have been COMMANDED to go out into the world Mark 6:12-13

But I have to wonder earth, Wind, and Fire, if shipping alcohol is a bad thing or a neutral thing. Its a debatable and controversial subject. I feel BAD about about doing it, but I wonder if its the legalism and pharisee in me that is creating this guilt. I can't find evidence in the Bible to say that all alcohol is bad. I read Ecc 9:7 and other verses and may believe that some alcohol is okay. Anti Alcohol types always point to the abuses and misuses of it, but always ignore those that can drink without getting drunk.

Again, nice try. Ain't nobody here afraid. And you have no idea what Christ drank with them.
Sounds like you're just trying to justify YOUR vice onto Christ. Not indulging in things that may cause someone to stumble ain't got a thing to do with anyone running in the opposite direction.

Jesus draws men unto Himself. And as more of HIM, and not our vices are allowed to shine through, people are drawn to it.

And your situation might be different, but the unsaved folks that I speak to like the fact that someone is talking to them who actually appears to not be doing the same things that they are.

 

[evangelist6589]

Have him give me a call....I will straighten that dude out :laugh:

In all sincerity, Ive worked with the chronic alcoholic & drug addict for too many years not to know both sides of the story cold. The guy is just putting his head in the sand by not facing the side of the issue that is human frailty. There will always be circumstances where people drink & suffering the consequences.....that will never be completely eradicated. On another note, there will always be those who can handle an occasional alcoholic beverage without any disastrous effects. People could even use it as a form of socialization & relaxation ....even to face to face with the non believer & bring them to Christ......Ive done it & so has Webdog so.....

He is close minded and impossible to reason with on this issue, so I won't try anymore. We will agree to disagree on this one. However the problem I have is that he requires one to agree with him to be a member of the church and is copying the Bob Jones legalistic pattern of trying to play the Holy Spirit.

I agree with what you said but the pastor and many others always fixate on abuses of alcohol and can never get their mind off the abuses and are very close minded to any evidence. I was chatting with one person and no mater how much science or medical research, or Bible verses I gave, it was spit on, so I was wasting me time.

 

[evangelist6589]

Why are you particularly against beer? Alcohol level? You do know that at 2.5%, two of your lemonade equal the standard ale...

I like sugar and I believe that beer is meant to get people drunk. Mikes lemonade is like a soda.

 

[Greektim]

I like sugar and I believe that beer is meant to get people drunk. Mikes lemonade is like a soda.

Holy crap... beer is meant to get people drunk???!!!???!!! Then why don't they raise the alcohol content past 5%?

I've heard some doosies on this board but that one...

 

[evangelist6589]

First, stop justifying it. Really--comparing beer with mouthwash? No, just, no.

Second, remember: Nehemiah took the king his wine.

Third: keep looking for another job. You're obviously not happy with this one.

He took the king wine? What chapter and verse? Also those that do not agree with you will claim the wine in that day was not the same as the wine of today.

 

[evangelist6589]

Holy crap... beer is meant to get people drunk???!!!???!!! Then why don't they raise the alcohol content past 5%?

I've heard some doosies on this board but that one...

Lots of people drink beer, beat their wives, run over people, and do all kinds of evil. Its beer that is the problem, not Mikes lemonade.

 

[saturneptune]

Got a new job and its at a beer shipping warehouse. I feel bad about shipping the beer to people all over but I need work and should do this (at least for the moment). The body does need some alcohol as the most effective mouth rinses do have alcohol. I have used non alcoholic mouth rinses and been to the dentist and alcoholic ones and the difference was very obvious. The alcoholic ones do clean the mouth far better than the alcohol free ones, and even the dentist agrees, and also the American dental Association. Those holding to total absstence use alcohol free mouth rinses and do not understand how the body works.

Anyways I feel bad about this job and helping Satan and his devils accomplish their goals. What should I do?

Get a job with Barnum and Bailey's Circus circumsizing elephants. The pay is bad but the tips are big.

 

[Scarlett O.]

Lots of people drink beer, beat their wives, run over people, and do all kinds of evil. Its beer that is the problem, not Mikes lemonade.

MHL is alcoholic. Drunkenness can occur by abusing any substance such as MHL, wine, beer, Dr. Tichner's, mouthwash, cough syrup or anything containing ethyl alcohol.

MHL is not a soda. It's carbonated, but it has the same alcohol content as a beer.

 

[saturneptune]

MHL is alcoholic. Drunkenness can occur by abusing any substance such as MHL, wine, beer, Dr. Tichner's, mouthwash, cough syrup or anything containing ethyl alcohol.

MHL is not a soda. It's carbonated, but it has the same alcohol content as a beer.

I guess I am really out of the loop. I have never heard of Mike's lemonaide, and my name is Mike. Does it sell right by the beer in grocery stores?

 

[Scarlett O.]

I guess I am really out of the loop. I have never heard of Mike's lemonaide, and my name is Mike. Does it sell right by the beer in grocery stores?

I don't know. I'm a tee-totaler! LOL! :flower:

Truth is - I can't handle my liquor. Too many times with my head in the toilet as a college student. :BangHead: So, I abstain and refrain.

 

[Don]

He took the king wine? What chapter and verse? Also those that do not agree with you will claim the wine in that day was not the same as the wine of today.

Nehemiah 2:1

I've already run into that; but look at Genesis 9:21; how much grape juice ("new wine") would Noah have to drink to become drunk?

 

[Steadfast Fred]

Nehemiah 2:1 And it came to pass in the month Nisan, in the twentieth year of Artaxerxes the king, that wine was before him: and I took up the wine, and gave it unto the king. Now I had not been beforetime sad in his presence.

Actually, Nehemiah did not take the king his wine. The wine was already before the king. Nehemiah just picked it up and handed it to him.

 

[evangelist6589]

MHL is alcoholic. Drunkenness can occur by abusing any substance such as MHL, wine, beer, Dr. Tichner's, mouthwash, cough syrup or anything containing ethyl alcohol.

MHL is not a soda. It's carbonated, but it has the same alcohol content as a beer.

This is false. The version of MHL that I have drunk is only 2.5% alcohol. Most beer is 6% expect those shipping to Utah.

 

[evangelist6589]

Nehemiah 2:1

I've already run into that; but look at Genesis 9:21; how much grape juice ("new wine") would Noah have to drink to become drunk?

Excellent point.

 

[Arbo]

Get a job with Barnum and Bailey's Circus circumsizing elephants. The pay is bad but the tips are big.

:laugh::laugh::laugh:
I really shouldn't read things you post while drinking coffee.

 

[Scarlett O.]

This is false. The version of MHL that I have drunk is only 2.5% alcohol. Most beer is 6% expect those shipping to Utah.

Well, you didn't say you were drinking a "version" of it. The actual Mike's Hard Lemonade has a 5% alcohol content and the Mike's Harder Lemonade has an 8% content.

But let's just go with your numbers. Alcoholic content is alcoholic content. Buzzed is buzzed and drunk is drunk. Drink 4 MHL or 2 beers. Down a half of bottle of Dr. Tichner's.

Adding carbonation, sweetener, and calling it lemonade doesn't make it less of a problem for those who have a propensity for abusing alcohol. Someone like me would not stop at 1 or 2.

Saying that beer is evil and MHL is "just a soda" is just not accurate.

 

[Arbo]

I like sugar and I believe that beer is meant to get people drunk. Mikes lemonade is like a soda.

You have a very subjective set of morals about alcohol.

If beer is meant to get people drunk, how is your job any different (other than the legality of it) than a drug-runner?

Also, if your hard lemonade is like soda, why not just drink soda or normal lemonade? Could it be for the buzz?

 

[Arbo]

Well, you didn't say you were drinking a "version" of it. The actual Mike's Hard Lemonade has a 5% alcohol content and the Mike's Harder Lemonade has an 8% content.


Saying that beer is evil and MHL is "just a soda" is just not accurate.

Uh-oh...Mike's Hard Lemonade is meant to get people drunk.

 

[12strings]

Lots of people drink beer, beat their wives, run over people, and do all kinds of evil. Its beer that is the problem, not Mikes lemonade.

Seriously, MHL can get you drunk...AND you can drink a certain amount of real bear and not get drunk. So one could actually sin in drinking too much MHL, and another person drink Guiness and not be sinning...depending on the amount.

 

[12strings]

He is close minded and impossible to reason with on this issue, so I won't try anymore. We will agree to disagree on this one. However the problem I have is that he requires one to agree with him to be a member of the church and is copying the Bob Jones legalistic pattern of trying to play the Holy Spirit.

It sounds like you may want to seriously consider not joining this church, if you feel they are taking so many unbiblical stances on so many issues.