Thomas Helwys
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Right, the Bible says Jesus turned water into wine, not Welch's. Also, you don't get accused of being a winebibber from drinking grape juice.
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Right, the Bible says Jesus turned water into wine, not Welch's. Also, you don't get accused of being a winebibber from drinking grape juice.
BTW, Ive got an excess of dandelions on the property & so Ive been using them to feed the chickens. High in vitamin A & C & Beta Carotene. It struck me that you can also make wine with them....anyone have instructions on how to do that?
One other note....you can use them in salads, with vinaigrette!:laugh:
One other note....you can use them in salads, with vinaigrette!:laugh:
LOL...yes, sorry I was joking.:laugh:
Don't know about the wine but here's a sweet woman talking about - and showing how to make dandelion salad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51VhG8MKxJY
Wonder if Jesus would have been a single malt Scotch drinker? Id like to offer some to him ....from the old sod.:love2:
Yea I started cutting them out of the yard a few days ago & gave them to the chickens....they loved them so Ive been pickin them & ate a few leaves...not bad but a little bitter so I looked into it. Very rich in A&C....so Im going to experiment.
Thanks for the video...that old lady is sweet!:thumbs:
salzer mtn
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Christians that i go to church with don't drink. Christians i knew while growing up didn't drink. It would be a great stumbling block to me if all the christians i know of started drinking. The christians on this board that say they drink are stumbling blocks to me, i cannot help feeling this way because i have lived arounds drunks all my life and i know how people behaive when they drink little or much. So, i said all that to say this, i am offended by your drinking, are you going to quit drinking by a request of a weaker brother ?
The Archangel
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Whether I, in the privacy of my own home, drink or not is no business of yours or anyone else. Drinking, in and of itself, is not a sin.
Simply knowing that people drink is not what causes one to stumble. The older brother drinking in front of the younger, struggling, and weaker-in-the-faith brother is what causes stumbling.
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I disagree
The Archangel
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OK. Why? I'm curious where you disagree with that particular statement.
Blessings,
The Archangel
jonathan.borland
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To question posed in OP title:
Hope not.
Hope not.
Because it is us that choose to drink, others cannot make you drink. My wife is a recovering alcoholic so I asked her, if I drank in front of her, would that cause you to drink......NO was the answer, nobody makes you drink (now she has had years in AA & other abuse programs) .... generally its your own insecurities that cause you to drink.
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The Archangel
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Ok. I don't disagree with that.
It's like people suing McDonald's for making them fat when they made several choices of their own free will along the way.
The Archangel
No, I am not a vegetarian. I do not try to reconcile not eating flesh, as I'm not walking in their shoes. In the beginning all mankind was vegetarian. Unless I'm mistaken, God has never said it was wrong to continue. The only time I would counter Raw Foodists, Vegans, or Vegeterians is if/when I'm being "lectured" on how wrong it is to kill animals. How wrong it is to kill deer for venison, for example. Usually the only thing I have to do is look at the person and ask them about some leather product they have on their person, in their vehicle, etc. And/or ask them about their favorite gelatin dessert.
Why would I condem anyone for enjoying a good steak? From the days of Noah, or thereabouts, mankind was allowed by God to eat meat. And, if I understand correctly, that will continue until the lion lays down with the lamb.
I agree that the point is not to purposely do things to make others stumble. If someone is trying to stop smoking, don't smoke around them. If a person is trying to lose weight, don't bring them a box of doughnuts or take them to a fast food joint for lunch. Or serve them a big tall glass of sweet southern iced tea for supper. -- BTW, that includes drinking one, while they drink water, if they sit at the table and crave what I'm drinking.
Because the verse you quoted ALSO says to avoid flesh if it causes a brother to stumble.
So why is the wine more important to avoid than the meat?
God says to not be enslaved to much wine, don't be a drunkard.
there are also verse to support not being a glutton but gluttony is rarely if ever mentioned.
One is no different than the other, eating and drinking are not wrong, as Colossians 2 tells us not to judge another based on what they eat or drink.
So why is the wine more important to avoid than the meat?
God says to not be enslaved to much wine, don't be a drunkard.
there are also verse to support not being a glutton but gluttony is rarely if ever mentioned.
One is no different than the other, eating and drinking are not wrong, as Colossians 2 tells us not to judge another based on what they eat or drink.
You know...I'm beginning to like you....you must be from Texas.:wavey:
LOL not originally but I got here as fast as I could!:wavey:
Because I don't personally know any people who avoid eating meat. Know of a few. However, I do know many people who have to avoid alcohol, no matter what form it takes. And that includes 2 pastors who were alcoholics in the days before our Saviour turned their lives around.
Uhmm, I thought I mentioned the relationship between "gluttony" and our responsibility to others to help them stay on their diets. When we invite guests to our dinner table, we honor their diet preferences/restrictions, whether it's medical, spiritual, or any other reasonable factor. If someone cannot/will not eat meat, it is just as wrong for me to spread a table with Southern style fried chicken as it is to serve mixed drinks around someone who is striving to resist temptation.
Who am I more likely to encounter this coming week? A vegan yielding to temptation for meat or a drunkard (past or present) yielding to temptation from a bottle?
Next, if we are not to judge another based on what they DO eat or drink, doesn't that also apply to those who DO NOT eat or drink specific foodstuffs?
Gregory Perry Sr.
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Amazing!!!
24 pages (up to now) of posts! The OP (remember that???)starts off asking peoples opinions about a job in a beer warehouse (personally I'd have to say NO to that) and after 24 pages we are talking about eating meats and drinking hooch(and SOME even suggesting that our pure and Holy Lord Jesus drank the stuff)....amazing! This reminds me of that experiment we tried in my High School Psych class where you start at one end of the classroom whispering a statement into the ear of the person beside you and keep it going until it makes it to the other end of the classroom. It NEVER even remotely resembled the OP or opening statement by the time it got to the last person! Somethings never change.
By the way...for the record....I eat steak, chicken, pork, fish and HOT DOGS (the Lord ONLY really knows what is in them!:laugh
and all cooked in a variety of ways.....and I thank God for them. The Lord tells me that they are sanctified by the Word of God and prayer!(1 Tim.4:3-5) I don't believe the use of beverage alcohol is of the Lord or approved of in scripture......and I want nothing to do with any type of employment that promotes the sale or distribution of it. Alcohol has been a source of destruction and death for numerous members of my own family and many I have known and it is ONLY the grace of God that it didn't enslave me as well.
As for the matter of our jobs/vocations we should always, as Christians, seek to do that (ONLY) which would bring honor and glory to our Holy God. That may well mean our "options" are limited but I can say with certainty...if we honor God in that which we do...He will honor and provide for our every need. He left us here to be "salt and light" to a lost and dying world. It can sometimes be a very fine line to walk to be "in the world but not OF the world". There is more I could say but I'll stop there.
Bro.Greg :saint:
24 pages (up to now) of posts! The OP (remember that???)starts off asking peoples opinions about a job in a beer warehouse (personally I'd have to say NO to that) and after 24 pages we are talking about eating meats and drinking hooch(and SOME even suggesting that our pure and Holy Lord Jesus drank the stuff)....amazing! This reminds me of that experiment we tried in my High School Psych class where you start at one end of the classroom whispering a statement into the ear of the person beside you and keep it going until it makes it to the other end of the classroom. It NEVER even remotely resembled the OP or opening statement by the time it got to the last person! Somethings never change.
By the way...for the record....I eat steak, chicken, pork, fish and HOT DOGS (the Lord ONLY really knows what is in them!:laugh
and all cooked in a variety of ways.....and I thank God for them. The Lord tells me that they are sanctified by the Word of God and prayer!(1 Tim.4:3-5) I don't believe the use of beverage alcohol is of the Lord or approved of in scripture......and I want nothing to do with any type of employment that promotes the sale or distribution of it. Alcohol has been a source of destruction and death for numerous members of my own family and many I have known and it is ONLY the grace of God that it didn't enslave me as well.As for the matter of our jobs/vocations we should always, as Christians, seek to do that (ONLY) which would bring honor and glory to our Holy God. That may well mean our "options" are limited but I can say with certainty...if we honor God in that which we do...He will honor and provide for our every need. He left us here to be "salt and light" to a lost and dying world. It can sometimes be a very fine line to walk to be "in the world but not OF the world". There is more I could say but I'll stop there.
Bro.Greg :saint:
yes, think that the biblcal mandate would be to exercise your freedom to drink a beer at the ba;;park or not, but if with someone who is trying to stop drinking, or is very against it, best to order my diet coke!
also think that the christian making a cow of this should also "mature and grow up" in order to realise that this is a grace issue, and that the lord allows fore BOTH positions to be held!
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