Per the bible, per context have to show who all and the world represent thoughIf I be lifted from the earth, will draw all men.
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Per the bible, per context have to show who all and the world represent thoughIf I be lifted from the earth, will draw all men.
I will study this further, though I do agree that there is an 'elect' who are those who God knew who would be saved.Thats the elect and the drawing is the application of salvation.
Of course He knew the elect would be saved because He chose to save them from b4 the foundation of the worldI will study this further, though I do agree that there is an 'elect' who are those who God knew who would be saved.
When Jesus was "lifted up" in thirty-something AD, were all the Aztec and Mayan people [performing human sacrifice to the winged snake god they worshiped] immediately drawn to Jesus (even though the Gospel did not reach them for another almost 1500 years).If I be lifted from the earth, will draw all men.
We must put our faith in the gospel first, check vs 40.
You cant put faith in or believe in Christ until you are first drawn by God Jn 6:44, you have the cart b4 the horse
The first knee jerk impulse of a carnal man's reasoning,If I be lifted from the earth, will draw all men.
"Question 1. Does not the Unconditional Election of some,
imply the 'Positive Action', on God's Part, of the Eternal Reprobation of the rest ?
"Answer. Nothing is more abhorent to our best feelings and at variance with our clearest convictions of the Divine Character, than to suppose that God has Created millions of immortals, with no other Design than to Render them Eternally miserable.
"It is granted that to Choose some, is to Leave the rest;
"but there is obviously a difference between:
A. Creating men for the special purpose of making them miserable,
B. and Leaving them to reap the fruits of their voluntary corruption.
Have you ever really seen where God,
through the Apostle Paul
has anticipated this objection,
in God’s Epistle to the Romans?
“Is there unrighteousness with God?
"God forbid. For He saith to Moses,
I Will have Mercy on whom I Will have Mercy,
and I Will have Compassion on whom I Will have Compassion.
"So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth,
but of God that sheweth Mercy.”
Absolutely, and that's Gospel of Grace Truth !
"When you consider all these texts is there anyone who could reasonably
think God needs to force men to sin?"
God doesnt force men to sin, however He purposed men to sin, yeah even Adam, Adam from Gods purpose standpoint, must sin, for it was purposed b4 Adam was created that Christ must die for sin Rev 13:8
God could not Create Adam to be Immutable,
because that is an Incommunicatable Attribute of God, to Never Change.
God doesnt force men to sin
That's why people like the above author, go into depth in discussinghowever He purposed men to sin,
God couldn't Create ANOTHER GODGod could not Create Adam to be Immutable,
because that is an Incommunicatable Attribute of God, to Never Change.
Oh yeah.That is the only way that Adam could have been Created, being Mutable,
and for him to not just have been Confirmed by God,
for Adam to have remained in his State of Innocence, like the Angels.
Robotic, without Free Will, Soul Liberty, Human Responsibility, etc.God could have created Adam so perfect that he would not have ever sinned, just like the elect holy angels.
Right. Confirmed in their sinless state, after having been Mutable.They are not immutable as God, but God has kept them from sinning against Him,
Not and have what you said here had to happen;Now you dont believe God could have withheld Adam and Eve from sinning against Him without making them immutable ?
Adam from Gods purpose standpoint, must sin, for it was purposed b4 Adam was created that Christ must die for sin Rev 13:8
So you dont believe in Glory that man will not have a freewill to sin. Will men be robots in Glory ?That's why people like the above author, go into depth in discussing
"God's Permissive Will" and "God's Restraining Will", etc.
God couldn't Create ANOTHER GOD
WHO HAD NOT EVER CHANGED, FROM ETERNITY PAST.
Oh yeah.
Robotic, without Free Will, Soul Liberty, Human Responsibility, etc.
God already had that in His Confirmed Angels.
Right. Confirmed in their sinless state, after having been Mutable.
Not and have what you said here had to happen;