Anabaptists, Catholics and Continuing Extra-Biblical Revelation

[OfLivingWaters]

He is mocking me and my intereptation of scripture. However, I don't think it is fair to say that he is "mocking scripture". He has a different interpretation that he strongly holds to.

Maybe you are right, but some things are self explanatory. If mocking you, and you are standing upon the Word you are then a mediator between him and Christ
me·di·a·tor
ˈmēdēˌādər/
noun
noun: mediator; plural noun: mediators
a person who attempts to make people involved in a conflict come to an agreement; a go-between.
However,there is one mediator between God and man,A Call to Prayer 1Timothy2:4-6
…4who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 5For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6who gave Himself as a ransom for all—the testimony that was given at just the right time.…
but all who follow Christ are many mediators between man and Christ. john20:20-22
Jesus Appears to the Disciples
…20After He had said this, He showed them His hands and His side. The disciples rejoiced when they saw the Lord. 21Again Jesus said to them, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent Me, so also I am sending you.” 22When He had said this, He breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit.…

If you claim to be called by Christ and it is to be found true, then he mocks Christ who you come in behalf of. Pride is the only thing that refuses to see truth. Scripture clearly states we receive spiritual gifts and we must strive for them. There is no interpretation needed. Interpretation is for the parables and the mysteries and riddles of God, not emphatic, direct statements which clearly mean what is said.
My approach is directed , I do not mince words, I believe he mocks scripture, whether intentionally or not. Pride is apparent.

 

[delizzle]

Maybe you are right, but some things are self explanatory. If mocking you, and you are standing upon the Word you are then a mediator between him and Christ
me·di·a·tor
ˈmēdēˌādər/
noun
noun: mediator; plural noun: mediators
a person who attempts to make people involved in a conflict come to an agreement; a go-between.
However,there is one mediator between God and man,A Call to Prayer 1Timothy2:4-6
…4who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 5For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6who gave Himself as a ransom for all—the testimony that was given at just the right time.…
but all who follow Christ are many mediators between man and Christ. john20:20-22
Jesus Appears to the Disciples
…20After He had said this, He showed them His hands and His side. The disciples rejoiced when they saw the Lord. 21Again Jesus said to them, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent Me, so also I am sending you.” 22When He had said this, He breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit.…

If you claim to be called by Christ and it is to be found true, then he mocks Christ who you come in behalf of. Pride is the only thing that refuses to see truth. Scripture clearly states we receive spiritual gifts and we must strive for them. There is no interpretation needed. Interpretation is for the parables and the mysteries and riddles of God, not emphatic, direct statements which clearly mean what is said.
My approach is directed , I do not mince words, I believe he mocks scripture, whether intentionally or not. Pride is apparent.

I agree for the most part. But I think we need to be sensitive to the fact that the theological beliefs and positions of thatbrian and TCassidy are the product of many years of conditioning from their denomination. If a lie is told by enough people over an extended period of time, it is quite easy, almost inevitable, that the person will at some point believe it.

I try to be sensitive to the fact that most people who hold to a denomination's beliefs do so simply because they were indoctrinated since a very young age. They simply believe what their denominations tell them to believe. So for some, to challenge their theological convictions is to challenge their worldview. That is why 1 Peter 3:15 says:

But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,
1 Peter 3:15 NIV

 

[thatbrian]

Still, what difference to fruit of the Spirit,it is a plurality in its application. You would squabble over trifles since there is no substance in what you profess.

For starters, when we understand the fruit of the Holy Spirit as one, we avoid the error of crediting to the Spirit something that we are naturally gifted with. In other words, ALL of the fruit is present ALL of the time, when the Holy Spirit is at work. That is not to say that there are not degrees along a spectrum, due to various reason, but the point is, the fruit come in a package; therefore, authentic Spirit demonstrates the entire list.

 

[thatbrian]

Actually , I did not say that delizzle did. I just quoted that. I will forgive the mistake on your part, one must read carefully as not to ascribe to one an other's claims.

My apologies. He is on ignore, so I didn't see that you had quoted him.

 

[OfLivingWaters]

I agree for the most part. But I think we need to be sensitive to the fact that the theological beliefs and positions of thatbrian and TCassidy are the product of many years of conditioning from their denomination. If a lie is told by enough people over an extended period of time, it is quite easy, almost inevitable, that the person will at some point believe it.

I try to be sensitive to the fact that most people who hold to a denomination's beliefs do so simply because they were indoctrinated since a very young age. They simply believe what their denominations tell them to believe. So for some, to challenge their theological convictions is to challenge their worldview. That is why 1 Peter 3:15 says:

But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,
1 Peter 3:15 NIV

This is always the case when people are being admonished for false theology or whatever other false thing. Admonishment is to be strongly corrected,Putting on the New Self Colossians 3:15-17
…15Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, for to this you were called as members of one body. And be thankful. 16Let the word of Christ richly dwell within you as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom, and as you sing psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs with gratitude in your hearts to God. 17And whatever you do, in word or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through Him.…
ad·mon·ish
ədˈmäniSH/
verb
verb: admonish; 3rd person present: admonishes; past tense: admonished; past participle: admonished; gerund or present participle: admonishing
warn or reprimand someone firmly.
I have read many of thatbrian's post, he is the one who is quick to insult, berate , assume things about people. That is self righteousness, not the righteousness of God.Being corrected in wisdom is not pleasant but rewarding if one heeds the correction one can only grow stronger when humbled. What disrespect did I show him? I gave him a mirror that he may see his own.And as for gentleness, which you imply I was not showing, no matter how gentle the approach, the Word is a sword to those whose spirit is not right with the Lord, gentleness can be relative. My spirit is humble to the truth and I am gentle in God. People who are in Christ are not persecuted in Christ because they are not gentle, its simply because of what they believe.
What did you perceive to not be gentle? Keeping in mind what admonishment is of course.

 

[delizzle]

For starters, when we understand the fruit of the Holy Spirit as one, we avoid the error of crediting to the Spirit something that we are naturally gifted with. In other words, ALL of the fruit is present ALL of the time, when the Holy Spirit is at work. That is not to say that there are not degrees along a spectrum, due to various reason, but the point is, the fruit come in a package; therefore, authentic Spirit demonstrates the entire list.

Would the fruit of the spirit be like a cluster of grapes? Same fruit but in a cluster of individual fruits?

 

[TCassidy]

How did God call you?

By the convicting ministry of His indwelling Holy Spirit through the reading of the word of God, which was then confirmed by the local, New Testament Bible Believing church I was a member of after an extensive examination.

2 Tim 4:2 preach the word; be urgent in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with all patience and teaching.

How did you know it was God calling you?

See above.

 

[TCassidy]

But I think we need to be sensitive to the fact that the theological beliefs and positions of thatbrian and TCassidy are the product of many years of conditioning from their denomination.

What denomination is that?

 

[OfLivingWaters]

Would the fruit of the spirit be like a cluster of grapes? Same fruit but in a cluster of individual fruits?

Good analogy!

 

[OfLivingWaters]

Well, now that delizzle has said he or she is a minister of Christ,
I will test according to 1John4:1-6
1 John 4:1-6
4 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 and every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. 5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. 6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

In these verses John says, on must confess Jesus Christ has come in the flesh. He says this because John knows Christ is God, begotten and not made. So, where is the first of this confessing? It is done by two at the onset and inception of the faith It is the confessing of the Ark of the New and everlasting Covenant, the Incarnation. When did God become flesh and where is the first confessing, and what is the confessing that all believers must embrace?

 

[delizzle]

What denomination is that?

I assume in your case Baptist, being that you are on a Baptist forum. But regardless, my statement can apply to any denomination. Many members of my family are Roman Catholic. If I asked them why they are Catholic, it is simply because they were born into a Roman Catholic family. If I asked them why they believe Roman Catholic doctrine, they would say because they are Catholic. They truly believe that the Catholic Church is the one true church because that is what they are told to believe. The same can be said for all denominations. In this case, Baptist.

First, I acknowledge that I don't know you or your church experience. But statistically speaking, you more than likely were born Baptist, raised Baptist, attended a Baptist Seminary, taught at a Baptist Seminary, and preached in a Baptist church. So it is completely understandable why you are so resistant to any opposing view. It is because challenging your theological beliefs is to challenge your worldview and all that you believed to be true since you were very young.

 

[delizzle]

By the convicting ministry of His indwelling Holy Spirit through the reading of the word of God, which was then confirmed by the local, New Testament Bible Believing church I was a member of after an extensive examination.

2 Tim 4:2 preach the word; be urgent in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with all patience and teaching.

See above.

So, God did not call you? Your church called you because you demonstrates the traits desirable for ministry?

So I will ask you again, who told you that you were called to ministry?

 

[TCassidy]

I assume in your case Baptist,

Is "Baptist" a denominational name or a doctrinal identity? If a denominational name, which Baptist denomination?

Alliance of Baptists
American Baptist Association
American Baptist Churches
Association of Reformed Baptist Churches of America
Association of Welcoming and Affirming Baptists
Baptist Bible Fellowship International
Baptist General Conference
Baptist Missionary Association of America
Central Baptist Association
Christian Unity Baptist Association
Conservative Baptist Association of America
Continental Baptist Churches
Cooperative Baptist Fellowship
Enterprise Association of Regular Baptists
Free Will Baptist
Full Gospel Baptist Church Fellowship
Fundamental Baptist Fellowship Association
Fundamental Baptist Fellowship of America
General Association of Baptists
General Association of General Baptists
General Association of Regular Baptist Churches
General Conference of the Evangelical Baptist Church, Inc.
General Six-Principle Baptists
Independent Baptist Church of America
Independent Baptist Fellowship International
Independent Baptist Fellowship of North America
Indian Bottom Association of Old Regular Baptists
Institutional Missionary Baptist Conference of America
Interstate & Foreign Landmark Missionary Baptist Association
Landmark Baptists
Liberty Baptist Fellowship
Macedonia Baptist World Missions
Mainstream Baptist Network
National Association of Free Will Baptists
National Baptist Convention of America, Inc.
National Baptist Convention, USA, Inc.
National Baptist Evangelical Life and Soul Saving Assembly of the U.S.A.
National Missionary Baptist Convention of America
National Primitive Baptist Convention of the U.S.A.
North American Baptist Conference
Old Regular Baptist
Old Time Missionary Baptist
Original Free Will Baptist Convention
Primitive Baptist Universalists
Primitive Baptists
Progressive National Baptist Convention
Reformed Baptist
Regular Baptist
Roger Williams Fellowship
Separate Baptist
Separate Baptists in Christ
Seventh Day Baptist General Conference
Southern Baptist Convention
Southwide Baptist Fellowship
Sovereign Grace Baptists
Two-Seed-in-the-Spirit Predestinarian Baptists
United American Free Will Baptist Church
United American Free Will Baptist Conference
United Baptists
Unregistered Baptist Fellowship
World Baptist Fellowship
Worldwide Baptist New Testament Missions

Association of Fundamental Baptist Churches of Northern California
Association of Independent Baptist Churches of Illinois
Baptist General Association of Virginia
Baptist General Convention of Oklahoma
Baptist General Convention of Texas
Dakota Baptist Association
District of Columbia Baptist Convention
Empire State Fellowship of Regular Baptist Churches
General Baptist State Convention of North Carolina, Inc.
Inter-Mountain Baptist Fellowship
Minnesota Baptist Association
Minnesota Baptist Conference
Mountain States Baptist Fellowship
New England Evangelical Baptist Fellowship
Ohio Valley Association of Christian Baptist Churches of God
Southern Baptists of Texas Convention
Wisconsin Fellowship of Baptist Churches

???????

 

[poor-in-spirit]

And what are you? It is clear the Bible is not even a consideration to you and the Holy Spirit as well. Your point? If the Bible were enough for you, you would believe it. But since you say prophecy and the fruits of the Spirit are a wrap you do not believe. Hence is why you have not received any of the fruits of the spirit , you do not even speak in Wisdom. You play like a bad news article or advertisement promoting some artificial brand of no substance.

Gal 5: 22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. 24And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. 25If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

 

[TCassidy]

born Baptist

Nope. Born into a Crazymatic spiritually dead mainline denomination.

raised Baptist

Nope. See above.

So, God did not call you?

Please do not lie about what I said.

Your church called you because you demonstrates the traits desirable for ministry?

Please do not lie about what I said.

I clearly said (God called me) "By the convicting ministry of His indwelling Holy Spirit through the reading of the word of God, which was then confirmed by the local, New Testament Bible Believing church I was a member of after an extensive examination."

 

[delizzle]

Is "Baptist" a denominational name or a doctrinal identity? If a denominational name, which Baptist denomination?

Alliance of Baptists
American Baptist Association
American Baptist Churches
Association of Reformed Baptist Churches of America
Association of Welcoming and Affirming Baptists
Baptist Bible Fellowship International
Baptist General Conference
Baptist Missionary Association of America
Central Baptist Association
Christian Unity Baptist Association
Conservative Baptist Association of America
Continental Baptist Churches
Cooperative Baptist Fellowship
Enterprise Association of Regular Baptists
Free Will Baptist
Full Gospel Baptist Church Fellowship
Fundamental Baptist Fellowship Association
Fundamental Baptist Fellowship of America
General Association of Baptists
General Association of General Baptists
General Association of Regular Baptist Churches
General Conference of the Evangelical Baptist Church, Inc.
General Six-Principle Baptists
Independent Baptist Church of America
Independent Baptist Fellowship International
Independent Baptist Fellowship of North America
Indian Bottom Association of Old Regular Baptists
Institutional Missionary Baptist Conference of America
Interstate & Foreign Landmark Missionary Baptist Association
Landmark Baptists
Liberty Baptist Fellowship
Macedonia Baptist World Missions
Mainstream Baptist Network
National Association of Free Will Baptists
National Baptist Convention of America, Inc.
National Baptist Convention, USA, Inc.
National Baptist Evangelical Life and Soul Saving Assembly of the U.S.A.
National Missionary Baptist Convention of America
National Primitive Baptist Convention of the U.S.A.
North American Baptist Conference
Old Regular Baptist
Old Time Missionary Baptist
Original Free Will Baptist Convention
Primitive Baptist Universalists
Primitive Baptists
Progressive National Baptist Convention
Reformed Baptist
Regular Baptist
Roger Williams Fellowship
Separate Baptist
Separate Baptists in Christ
Seventh Day Baptist General Conference
Southern Baptist Convention
Southwide Baptist Fellowship
Sovereign Grace Baptists
Two-Seed-in-the-Spirit Predestinarian Baptists
United American Free Will Baptist Church
United American Free Will Baptist Conference
United Baptists
Unregistered Baptist Fellowship
World Baptist Fellowship
Worldwide Baptist New Testament Missions

Association of Fundamental Baptist Churches of Northern California
Association of Independent Baptist Churches of Illinois
Baptist General Association of Virginia
Baptist General Convention of Oklahoma
Baptist General Convention of Texas
Dakota Baptist Association
District of Columbia Baptist Convention
Empire State Fellowship of Regular Baptist Churches
General Baptist State Convention of North Carolina, Inc.
Inter-Mountain Baptist Fellowship
Minnesota Baptist Association
Minnesota Baptist Conference
Mountain States Baptist Fellowship
New England Evangelical Baptist Fellowship
Ohio Valley Association of Christian Baptist Churches of God
Southern Baptists of Texas Convention
Wisconsin Fellowship of Baptist Churches

???????

Like I said...baptist. Could be any of them or none. The statement remains the same regardless.

 

[TCassidy]

Like I said...baptist. Could be any of them or none. The statement remains the same regardless.

So which one? They are all different. Some are cessationist and some are not. Some are pretty straight forward orthodox and some are so far out in left field even God has trouble finding them.

So, which one do you assign my brain washing to?

 

[delizzle]

Nope. Born into a Crazymatic spiritually dead mainline denomination.

Nope. See above.

Please do not lie about what I said.

Please do not lie about what I said.

I clearly said (God called me) "By the convicting ministry of His indwelling Holy Spirit through the reading of the word of God, which was then confirmed by the local, New Testament Bible Believing church I was a member of after an extensive examination."

So you read the Bible and became convinced that you were called to ministry? For the record, I am in no way questioning the legitimacy of your calling. The point that I am making is that unless you find a passage that specifically says "TCassidy will be a minister and professor", you cannot honestly say that the Bible is the only source of God's word. It doesn't matter if the Holy Spirit inspired, prompted, illuminated, or audibly told you or the Church. The point is that your calling came from God and your calling is not to be found in the bible. Thus it is in some regard "prophetic" because God communicated to you or your church that you were to serve in ministry.

Which brings us back to the point about prophecy. If God is able to communicate to you or your congregation that you are to serve in ministry, why then is it not possible for God to communicate other messages?

 

[TCassidy]

So you read the Bible and became convinced that you were called to ministry?

That is not what I said. Why do you think you have to lie about what I said? Why does the truth frighten you so?

For the record, I am in no way questioning the legitimacy of your calling.

Of course you are!

The point that I am making is that unless you find a passage that specifically says "TCassidy will be a minister and professor", you cannot honestly say that the Bible is the only source of God's word.

That is pure nonsense! "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved." Because it doesn't say "TCassidy" or "delizzle" does that mean neither of us can be saved? What utter nonsense!

 

[delizzle]

So which one? They are all different. Some are cessationist and some are not. Some are pretty straight forward orthodox and some are so far out in left field even God has trouble finding them.

So, which one do you assign my brain washing to?

It doesn't matter, statistically speaking, people tend to hold to the theology they are surrounded by. That is a statistical fact.