Anabaptists, Catholics and Continuing Extra-Biblical Revelation

[TCassidy]

That makes no sense.

It makes no sense to those who reject it.

He is writing to the Corinthians to strive for the spiritual gifts.

He is saying that the church should desire the spiritually gifted persons who had the gifts.

How can something be ending that was just beginning especial for the Gentiles.

Sorry, but that makes no sense. God gave the gifts to endorse the inspiration of the New Testament. As the New Testament approached completion there was no longer a need for direct revelation. They churches now had the written word of God.

He is at that time in the present writing this, yet you say at the same time it is just ending.

No, I said the confirmatory sign gifts were no longer being given but those already so gifted were to continue to use the gifts for the next 40 years or so.

So then why should he even be writing what he is.

Because God inspired him to do so.

Your statement makes no sense.

Not to those who deny the bible.

 

[OfLivingWaters]

It makes no sense to those who reject it.
He is saying that the church should desire the spiritually gifted persons who had the gifts.

Sorry, but that makes no sense. God gave the gifts to endorse the inspiration of the New Testament. As the New Testament approached completion there was no longer a need for direct revelation. They churches now had the written word of God.

No, I said the confirmatory sign gifts were no longer being given but those already so gifted were to continue to use the gifts for the next 40 years or so.

Because God inspired him to do so.

Not to those who deny the bible.

WOW!

 

[delizzle]

So your "experience" trumps and nullifies the word of God. Interesting.

So believing the word of God makes me spiritually deaf, but denying the word of God gives you spiritual hearing?

I don't think so. God's word says otherwise. Accept it or reject it. Your choice.

My experience trumps and nullifies "your intereptation" of the word of God. And yes, I am saying that if you have never seen or experienced the gifts of the spirit it is because you have been conditioned to believe they don't exist. You have no faith in the gifts of the spirit and you have no faith that these gifts are present today. Jesus did not perform miracles in Nazareth because of the lack of faith. So to has the gifts of the spirit have been hidden from you. Not hidden by the spirit, hidden by your rejection of the power of the Holy Spirit.

If you don't mind me asking, who called you to ministry? How did you know you were called?

 

[TCassidy]

You have no faith in the gifts of the spirit

I have faith in the word of God and the God of the word.

you have no faith that these gifts are present today.

That is because I believe God and His word.

If you don't mind me asking, who called you to ministry?

God.

How did you know you were called?

Because God never lies.

 

[thatbrian]

When Paul wrote his letters, the canon was not yet formed. Once it had been, there is no longer need of these gifts, just as there will be no need for pastors in the world to come.

Sects and cults use new "revelation" and "prophesy" to control, manipulate and deceive.

 

[thatbrian]

The Bible is no enough for those who do not wish to submit to God's authority. Seeking some way to do an end-run around the cold hard facts laid out in scripture, these modern-day seers are no different from those described in the OT.

 

[delizzle]

When the gifted people die, and the gifts are no longer being given to new converts, the gifts die out in and of themselves. That is what the bible says.

You have yet to show us where the Bible made such a statement.

 

[OfLivingWaters]

The Bible is no enough for those who do not wish to submit to God's authority. Seeking some way to do an end-run around the cold hard facts laid out in scripture, these modern-day seers are no different from those described in the OT.

And what are you? It is clear the Bible is not even a consideration to you and the Holy Spirit as well. Your point? If the Bible were enough for you, you would believe it. But since you say prophecy and the fruits of the Spirit are a wrap you do not believe. Hence is why you have not received any of the fruits of the spirit , you do not even speak in Wisdom. You play like a bad news article or advertisement promoting some artificial brand of no substance.

 

[thatbrian]

And what are you? It is clear the Bible is not even a consideration to you and the Holy Spirit as well. Your point? If the Bible were enough for you, you would believe it. But since you say prophecy and the fruits of the Spirit are a wrap you do not believe. Hence is why you have not received any of the fruits of the spirit , you do not even speak in Wisdom. You play like a bad news article or advertisement promoting some artificial brand of no substance.

The fruit of the Spirt (not "fruits") is, "Love, joy, peace, patience. . ."

I am content with what God has given me. It's all I need: "His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence by which he has granted to us his precious and very great promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in the world because of sinful desire.

 

[OfLivingWaters]

Galatians 5:22-23
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.
Through them you may become partaker of the divine.

Biblical and theological overview
Romans 12:6–8 1 Corinthians 12:8–10 1 Peter 4:11
Prophecy Serving Teaching Exhortation Giving Leadership Mercy Word of wisdom Word of knowledge Faith Gifts of healings Miracles Prophecy Distinguishing between spirits Tongues Interpretation of tongues Whoever speaks Whoever renders service
So, must you practice and have of what Galatians says to be divine? And what does divine mean?
divine: to be like God.
Christ is God Incarnate, God the Son. We are to be like Him, does He heal, prophesy, have all spiritual gifts? Of course and so do those who believe in Him receive spiritual gifts. But you do not receive them if you do not have the fruit of the Spirit. This answers a lot, don't you think?

 

[OfLivingWaters]

The fruit of the Spirt (not "fruits") is, "Love, joy, peace, patience. . ."

I am content with what God has given me. It's all I need: "His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence by which he has granted to us his precious and very great promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in the world because of sinful desire.

Please! get over yourself, everyone makes typographical errors from time to time. What difference to fruit of the Spirit which are multiple endowments.

 

[OfLivingWaters]

delizzle said: ↑
Listen. With all due respect. I absolutely know for a fact that you are wrong on this topic. I have seen these gifts. I have experienced these gifts myself. I received my calling to ministry through a vision where God himself commanded me.

Mark my words, anyone who is in a church which has never seen or experienced to gifts of the spirit, they are in a spiritually deaf church. (Not spiritually dead)[/QUOTE

I can not know for sure of your calling, but I agree people should strive for spiritual gifts. Prophecy as of this point concerning people being gifted to , has not as of yet ceased. As for biblical prophecy Christ said not one letter or one word would be lost. All of God's decrees will come back to Him fruitful. Not one one word of prophecy will be void. It is good people care about such gifts.
God Bless!






It is good people WHO care about such gifts , is what I meant to say.

 

[delizzle]

God.

Because God never lies.

How did God call you? How did you know it was God calling you? Where in the Bible does it say that TCassidy will be a pastor and seminary professor?

 

[thatbrian]

Please! get over yourself, everyone makes typographical errors from time to time. What difference to fruit of the Spirit which are multiple endowments.

Actually, I don't believe it was a typo, as many people mistaken refer to them as "fruits". Secondly, the distinction is important.

 

[thatbrian]

I received my calling to ministry through a vision where God himself commanded me.

Yup. Another self-appointed "minister". . .

Ministers are called by the church, not self-appointed.

 

[OfLivingWaters]

Yup. Another self-appointed "minister". . .

Ministers are called by the church, not self-appointed.

Actually , I did not say that delizzle did. I just quoted that. I will forgive the mistake on your part, one must read carefully as not to ascribe to one an other's claims.

 

[OfLivingWaters]

Actually, I don't believe it was a typo, as many people mistaken refer to them as "fruits". Secondly, the distinction is important.

Still, what difference to fruit of the Spirit,it is a plurality in its application. You would squabble over trifles since there is no substance in what you profess.

 

[delizzle]

Yup. Another self-appointed "minister". . .

Ministers are called by the church, not self-appointed.

Ministers are called by God and affirmed/confirmed by the church. Unless of course, you are suggesting that the Church congregation is equal or greater than the God. Which I strongly disagree with.

Edit: Also, where in the Bible did the church congregation read that TCassidy is to become a pastor and seminary professor. The point is that unless such a verse exists, you cannot honestly say that the Bible is the only source of God's word.

 

[OfLivingWaters]

1 Corinthians 2:5-7
Spiritual Wisdom
5so that your faith would not rest on men’s wisdom, but on God’s power. 6Among the mature, however, we speak a message of wisdom — but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. 7No, we speak of the mysterious and hidden wisdom of God, which He destined for our glory before time began.…None of the rulers
of this age understood it. For if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9Rather, as it is written:

“No eye has seen,

no ear has heard,

no heart has imagined,

what God has prepared for those who love Him.”a

10But God has revealed it to us by the Spirit.

The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11For who among men knows the thoughts of man except his own spirit within him? So too, no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12We have not received the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13And this is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom, but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.

14The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15The spiritual man judges all things, but he himself is not subject to anyone’s judgment. 16“For who has known the mind of the Lord, so as to instruct Him?”b But we have the mind of Christ.

 

[delizzle]

There is no scripture, he is instigating and mocking scripture. His purpose, to malign.

He is mocking me and my intereptation of scripture. However, I don't think it is fair to say that he is "mocking scripture". He has a different interpretation that he strongly holds to.