delizzle
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Anabaptists, Catholics and Continuing Extra-Biblical Revelation
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That day has already passed. Paul said so in verse 13.
delizzle
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So chapter 13 was pointless? Paul was just talking about prophesy for giggles right?
Edit: I meant chapter 14, not 13.
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The gift of knowledge has also passed. Paul said so.
Yes, just as Paul said.
He told the church at Corinth that, as long as the older gifted saints lived, their gifts were to be respected and honored, even desired. But once they were gone, they were gone.
Chapter 13 is the inspired word of God. The word of God is never pointless. It explains the cessation of the sign gifts.
Have you been drinking?
delizzle
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The point was that if you are correct about 1 Cor. 13, the entire 1st half of chapter 14 would be pointless and irrelevant. Why would Paul intend to say that the time for prophesy has passed and the very next chapter is dedicated almost entirely to the gift of prophesy? You are absolutely right, chapter 14 (i apologize for the previous post, i meant chapter 14 not 13) is not pointntless because the gift of prophesy still applied in chapter 14 and it still applies today. It is your interpretation of chapter 13 that renders chapter 14 pointless.
We have different gifts, according to the grace given to each of us. If your gift is prophesying, then prophesy in accordance with your faith; if it is serving, then serve; if it is teaching, then teach; if it is to encourage, then give encouragement; if it is giving, then give generously; if it is to lead, do it diligently; if it is to show mercy, do it cheerfully.
Romans 12:6-8 NIV
Is Romans 12:6-8 relevant? If so, how? Since the gifts of the spirit dies with the apostles, one can only conclude that Romans 12:6-8 isn't applicable for today's Christians. Nor was it ever applicable for the 1st century Romans. So it leads me to wonder why on earth Paul would ever bring it up.
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BobRyan
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No he doesn't - or else he would not only be condemning John - but also himself for anything written past vs 13.
BobRyan
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Yep. And 1 Cor 14:1
Pursue love, yet desire earnestly spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy.
This is why I keep saying "Give me the Bible AND the words IN the Bible"!!
Once again you demonstrate your total inability to understand simple, biblical concepts.
Why would 14 be pointless and irrelevant? Those who already had the gift were to continue to use it, and others were to honor and respect that gift. But the gifts were no longer being given. That does not mean those already gifted lost their gifts. Those gifts continued, in the gifted persons, until their deaths.
Where did you get the idea "the time for prophesy has passed?" That is not what he said. He said those gifts would cease (in and of themselves) as the gifted persons grew old and died, and, as those sign gifts were no longer being given to younger Christians, when the last of the gifted persons died the gifts died with them.
Once again you ignore what I posted and respond to what you wish I had posted. Go back and read what I actually said.
Another failure to understand a rather simple concept.
delizzle
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Dunno, 1 Cor. 14:1 seems very straight forward. Any reasonable person could only conclude that you were twisting scripture to eisegate what you want to believe.Once again you demonstrate your total inability to understand simple, biblical concepts.
Then you obviously didn't read what I wrote. Duh!
delizzle
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1 Cor. 13: 13 clearly states "NOW all that remains..."
delizzle
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Listen. With all due respect. I absolutely know for a fact that you are wrong on this topic. I have seen these gifts. I have experienced these gifts myself. I received my calling to ministry through a vision where God himself commanded me.
Mark my words, anyone who is in a church which has never seen or experienced to gifts of the spirit, they are in a spiritually deaf church. (Not spiritually dead)
OfLivingWaters
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Spiritual gifts do not die, when it is time some will no longer be necessary. God is simply no longer pouring them out at that point.
So your "experience" trumps and nullifies the word of God. Interesting.
So believing the word of God makes me spiritually deaf, but denying the word of God gives you spiritual hearing?
I don't think so. God's word says otherwise. Accept it or reject it. Your choice.
When the gifted people die, and the gifts are no longer being given to new converts, the gifts die out in and of themselves. That is what the bible says.
"But where there are prophecies, they will be done away with. Where there are various languages, they will cease. Where there is knowledge, it will be done away with."
That's God's word. Accept it or reject it. Your choice.
Exactly. When Paul wrote 1 Corinthians the gifts were no longer being given. The "NOW" was around 60 AD. That is when the gifts were no longer being given. Over the next 40 years or so the gifted persons grew old and died and the gifts passed with them.
That's bible. Accept it or reject it. Your choice.
OfLivingWaters
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OfLivingWaters
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That makes no sense. He is writing to the Corinthians to strive for the spiritual gifts. How can something be ending that was just beginning especial for the Gentiles. He is at that time in the present writing this, yet you say at the same time it is just ending. So then why should he even be writing what he is. Your statement makes no sense.
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