Ananais and Sapphira...lost?

[James_Newman]

Do you believe in a God that is able to born you again or not?

Of course, I wouldn't be here if I did not believe in being born again. Do you believe that the blood of Jesus covers sin or not?

 

[Brother Bob]

Originally Posted by Brother Bob
Boy, am I glad to see someone on here believes in the steps of a good man are ordered of the Lord.

James the way you posted my response looks like I said I never had believed that the steps of a good man are ordered of the Lord.

 

[Brother Bob]

Of course, I wouldn't be here if I did not believe in being born again. Do you believe that the blood of Jesus covers sin or not?

Absolutely, What I don't believe in is "join church and you can sin all you want there is plenty of blood to go around".

 

[Blammo]

1Co 6:9-11
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Could anyone tell me what the rest of them were?

Not fornicators, not idolaters, not adulterers, not effeminate, not abusers of themselves with mankind, not thieves, not covetous, not drunkards, not revilers, not extortioners?

 

[Brother Bob]

11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

It means they were those things before becoming a Christian.

 

[James_Newman]

Absolutely, What I don't believe in is "join church and you can sin all you want there is plenty of blood to go around".

It sounds horrible when you say it that way, but honestly, do you doubt that Jesus has enough blood to go around? Or that it isn't powerful enough to cover the sins of the unrighteous?

Rom 5:15-16
15 But not as the offense, so also is the free gift. For if through the offense of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offenses unto justification.
Rom 5:20
20 Moreover the law entered, that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

I realize that Romans 6:1 says that we should not sin that grace may abound. But would it not?

 

[James_Newman]

It means they were those things before becoming a Christian.

that wasn't what I asked.

such were some of you

you is the believers he is writing to, such is the sins that he listed, some is, some. What were the rest of them? I'll let you think about it, I have to go. I probably won't be back till tomorrow.

 

[Brother Bob]

I realize that Romans 6:1 says that we should not sin that grace may abound. But would it not?

James; I really don't think you and I differ a lot but some.

I believe there is plenty of blood to save the world it is just I don't believe a Christian commits the kind of sins we did when we were unsaved such as adultery.

I realize that Romans 6:1 says that we should not sin that grace may abound. But would it not?

1Jo 2:1 ¶ My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:


1 John, chapter 5

"16": If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.

Hbr 10:26 ¶ For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

 

[Brother Bob]

that wasn't what I asked.

such were some of you

you is the believers he is writing to, such is the sins that he listed, some is, some. What were the rest of them? I'll let you think about it, I have to go. I probably won't be back till tomorrow.

I don't need to think about it they were not always Christians.

 

[Tom Butler]

And does Scripture ever speak of "repentance" as a gift? Not that I'm aware of, but perhaps you could give me some Scripture that says otherwise. "Granted" is not a "gift" either, at least to an individual, as opposed to the Gentiles collectively in Acts 11:48, so some other verses, please, as I'm interested in where Scripture says an individual gets "repentance" as a gift.
Ed

Couldn't find Acts 11:48, so don't know what you're referring to there.
Obviously a typo.

I take it then you reject Acts 5:31 as a proof text that repentance is a gift, since the word used is granted, not given. But isn't a grant a gift? And further, even though Peter is speaking to Jews and granting repentance to Israel, how can God grant to a group without granting to individual members of that group? He also granted forgiveness of sin to the same group, and to the same individuals in that group, Israel. Can God forgive a nation and not forgive individuals in that nation?

The other passage is II Timothy 2:25, where the KJV specifical translates as "peradventure God will give them repentance..." Here, Paul is speaking not of Jews or Gentiles, but of a specific kind of people, which he urges Timothy, "instructing those who oppose themselves..." Again, I raise the question, how can God give repentance to a group of people without giving it to individuals within that group?

Either way, the principle is established. Repentance is a gift.

 

[Brother Bob]

Repentance is a requirement.

Luk 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Mar 2:17 When Jesus heard [it], he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Act 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and [then] to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

But it is also a Gift for without God giving us the gift to be able to repent we couldn't.

Act 11:18When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

 

[LeBuick]

Am I understanding you all as saying once you are saved you can no longer sin? Are you saying this in the light of you there is no sin where there is no law?

Do we still have a sin nature?

 

[Brother Bob]

No, Christian sin but they don't sin unto death for if they did then it says not to even pray for them. Of course we do wrong but we certainly don't go back out there in the world and start drinking, women, gambling and become a servant of the devil again.

 

[LeBuick]

No, Christian sin but they don't sin unto death for if they did then it says not to even pray for them. Of course we do wrong but we certainly don't go back out there in the world and start drinking, women, gambling and become a servant of the devil again.

I agree with this Bro Bob, I thought I read someone say earlier that we were not even tempted any longer.

 

[Brother Bob]

I wish we were not. I am like Paul, would like the thorn removed.

 

[Lacy Evans]

No, Christian sin but they don't sin unto death for if they did then it says not to even pray for them. Of course we do wrong but we certainly don't go back out there in the world and start drinking, women, gambling and become a servant of the devil again.

"Don't" is very subjective. Do you mean "shouldn't" (as in it's not becoming) or "can't" (as in it is impossible)?

Lacy

 

[J. Jump]

J. Jump
It plainly tells you that Christians walk after the Spirit and don't do those things.

Really please show me which verse it was that specifically says that all Christians walk after the Spirit and don't do those things Bob.

I declare you can't read. J. Jump;

I knew something was wrong and now I know, you can't read!!!!!

It's not wonder you and BPT get along so well you are both about as arrogant as the other! What a foolish statement.

who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit

which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit

I'm guessing this is how you are going to answer my above question, but Bob I'm sorry to be the one that busts your bubble but there is NOTHING there that says Christians WILL walk after the Spirit. It is speaking to those that do, but NOTHING that says ALL Christians will.

In fact at the end of that section that you posted it "plainly" shows you that not ALL Christians will in fact walk after the Spirit, but there are some that will walk after the flesh.

Do you just ignore those verses Bob?

I don't think you can understand scripture but you are having a good time so go to it.

Right back at ya!

You still read Paul's writings as if everyone in the house were Christians and not realizing Paul was trying to cleanse the church from such that walk after the flesh.

And Brother Bob you fail to see the clear teaching of Scripture that there are Christians that walk after the flesh. And yes Paul is trying to get those type of Christians out of the church. But he is addressing Christians. If he wasn't he would have told you so, so that there wouldn't be any guess work as to who he is speaking about.

Paul said from such to withdraw

Agreed.

and you say the whole church walks after the flesh instead of the Spirit.

Another foolish and incorrect statement. You know it gets really old when all you folks can do is make up stuff about what people say. You can not find one single quote where I said the whole church walks after the flesh. Now did you say that on accident or were you intentionally trying to lie about me?

 

[LeBuick]

"Don't" is very subjective. Do you mean "shouldn't" (as in it's not becoming) or "can't" (as in it is impossible)?

Lacy

If a Christian could sin unto death then we would not eternal security. Right?

 

[Brother Bob]

"Don't" is very subjective. Do you mean "shouldn't" (as in it's not becoming) or "can't" (as in it is impossible)?

Lacy

I could have Lacy as long as I added the following:
Hebrews, chapter 6

"6": If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

I'm guessing this is how you are going to answer my above question, but Bob I'm sorry to be the one that busts your bubble but there is NOTHING there that says Christians WILL walk after the Spirit. It is speaking to those that do, but NOTHING that says ALL Christians will.

You answered every thing for me. J. Jump;

which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit

Don't know why you can't see there were some among them who were not saved.

 

[bubba jimmy]

It seems to me that this lall eaves us in an untenable situation. If I am a Christian, and I find that I have committed a sin, then my salvation is immediately called into question. Maybe I wasn't really saved. How do I know if I'm really saved, if I commit a sin? Or is it just that I don't drink/gamble/womanize, but if I have a hot temper and sin with my tonge then that isn't as bad a sin so maybe I am still saved? How exactly is it?

When I see someone who seemed by all the fruit I witnessed to have been a true believer and through whom God seemed to work mightily, and then see him fall into sin and fall away, what am I to think? That he was never really saved? Then how can I know that I'm really saved if I am doing the things I saw him do before he fell? That doesn't seem like any kind of security, eternal or otherwise, to me. Or is he still saved, even though he's drinking/gambling/womanizing?

This is not a hypothetical, I have actually seen this happen to men who once preached the gospel in the power of the Holy Spirit.