Andy Stanley and Mass Deception

[AndyMartin]

Andy Stanley says that when you are growing up you hear stories about Adam and Eve, where two people are running around naked, and says "who can believe that"? and it is a "creation myth". For anyone to say that this is not a direct challenge to the Word of God, where he is actually calling God a liar, then all I can say is that person needs much prayer. I cannot understand why anyone who believes in the fully Infallibility and Inerrancy of the Holy Bible, would want to defend this man, when he openly mocks and questions the Authority of the Bible? This is beyond my understanding!

 

[Reynolds]

Study the scripture, then study what he teaches, you'll find they are massively different, but you hae to know the bible befor you can engage in the debate.

I know The Bible quite well. You can save the insults. If there is a particular point in scripture you would like to discuss, I am game.

 

[Reynolds]

I'm listening to it again and he has already said, that
1. The walls of Jericho did not come down
2. The earth is old
3. There are indefensible parts of the Bible

That by definition is undermining the and undercutting the Bible.

If he said that, I would 100% agree with you, but he did not say that. Those statements are presented as what ifs as part of the hypothetical he proposed.
Are you listening to the above short segment or the entire series? If he was saying the Bible was errant, I would join you and pile on him with both barrels. He is not saying that.

 

[Reynolds]

Open Bible, Burning Hearts: Response to Andy Stanley | Desiring God

He explains Stanley's view well.

 

[blessedwife318]

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If he said that, I would 100% agree with you, but he did not say that. Those statements are presented as what ifs as part of the hypothetical he proposed.
Are you listening to the above short segment or the entire series? If he was saying the Bible was errant, I would join you and pile on him with both barrels. He is not saying that.

I listened to the entire speech and yes he is undermining the Scriptures. He is relentless in his attacks on the Old Testament. I wish I could find a transcript as it would be easier to point out from that than having someone listen to a 40 minuet speech.

 

[Tennessee Gal]

This guy is supposed to be a pastor of the 2nd biggest church in the USA, and yet he blatantly contradicts what the Bible teaches as Facts, and has ten's of thousands that attend his church. This is real scary and should be a warning to all Bible believing Christians, of departing from "the Faith, once and for all delivered to the saints" (Jude 3)

 

[Revmitchell]

Old news. Take it in its full context and what he says is correct. You need to go back to the entire sermon series from which it came and watch in its entirety. He is not saying The Bible is not the inspired, infallible Word of God. What he is saying is that when your kids go to College, the professors will attack the Bible. They will say its myth, simply literature, refuted by science, and refuted by archaeological evidence. When this happens, your kids better have more put in them than "The Bible told me so." They better have a living relationship with Christ that is so real that they will not be moved by the lies about the validity of the written Word.

The statements he made about scripture are very troubling regardless of the larger context or sermon series. There is no context in which those statements can be made better.

 

[Tennessee Gal]

If one doesn't believe the Genesis account of creation, then how can anything the Bible teaches on the person and work of Christ or anything else in the Scripture be reliable ? It is either the infallible, inerrant Word of God or it isn't... no other choice. Andy is teaching heresy ... plain and simple !!!

 

[AndyMartin]

Open Bible, Burning Hearts: Response to Andy Stanley | Desiring God

He explains Stanley's view well.

Hello, John Piper does not at all deal with the issues that this video clip raises with AS's criticism of the accounts in the Book of Genesis. Nor the fact that he does not think it important that a person may not accept the Bible is Infallible, as long as they believe in Jesus! This is rank heresy, and cannot be condoned and excused in any way.

Reynolds, may I ask why you are here going to all this length to support AS when it is very clear to all except you, that what he says is against the Bible?

 

[AndyMartin]

If one doesn't believe the Genesis account of creation, then how can anything the Bible teaches on the person and work of Christ or anything else in the Scripture be reliable ? It is either the infallible, inerrant Word of God or it isn't... no other choice. Andy is teaching heresy ... plain and simple !!!

very true!

 

[AndyMartin]

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I listened to the entire speech and yes he is undermining the Scriptures. He is relentless in his attacks on the Old Testament. I wish I could find a transcript as it would be easier to point out from that than having someone listen to a 40 minuet speech.

I agree. I simply cannot understand why some refuse to see that such teaching is heretical and must be condemned, or it will cause even greater problems.

This reminds me of Steve Chalke here in the UK, you wrote about 15-20 years ago, that God was a "child abuser", because He punished Jesus for our sins!!! This guy is supposed to be a Baptist pastor and blasphemes like this? Has he no fear of God? AS is also saying as the devil did to Eve and Adam, "hath God said", which is basically calling God a liar, by questioning His Word!

 

[Reynolds]

Hello, John Piper does not at all deal with the issues that this video clip raises with AS's criticism of the accounts in the Book of Genesis. Nor the fact that he does not think it important that a person may not accept the Bible is Infallible, as long as they believe in Jesus! This is rank heresy, and cannot be condoned and excused in any way.

Reynolds, may I ask why you are here going to all this length to support AS when it is very clear to all except you, that what he says is against the Bible?

Did Stanley say the Genesis account of creation is not literal? It is a simple question.

 

[Reynolds]

If one doesn't believe the Genesis account of creation, then how can anything the Bible teaches on the person and work of Christ or anything else in the Scripture be reliable ? It is either the infallible, inerrant Word of God or it isn't... no other choice. Andy is teaching heresy ... plain and simple !!!

I know people who were saved for many years before they fully embraced authority of scripture. It is a process.

 

[blessedwife318]

I know people who were saved for many years before they fully embraced authority of scripture. It is a process.

We are not talking about a recent convert who has not been taught all this, we are talking about a guy standing before a crowd as a teacher, teaching heresy. As James 3:1 makes clear teachers are held to higher standards and Stanley is failing by undermining the Scriptures.

 

[AndyMartin]

Did Stanley say the Genesis account of creation is not literal? It is a simple question.

This is what I have just typed from listening to the above video clip:

"The foundation of our faith is not the Scriptures, the foundation of our faith is not the infallibility of the Bible...you can believe the Adam and Eve story is a creation myth, so what, who is Jesus...when I deal with Adam and Eve I quickly say, hey this is one of those odd stories, this is that story you heard growing up about two naked people, running around in a garden, and who can believe that, there are many creation myths"

Can you read here? He CLEARLY says that Adam and Eve is a creation MYTH. This means it is UNTRUE! He questions the Foundation and Infallibility of the Holy Bible

What more do you want?

 

[AndyMartin]

I know people who were saved for many years before they fully embraced authority of scripture. It is a process.

AS is the pastor of the second largest church in the US. He did not start yesterday!

 

[Van]

Yet another thread devoted to disparaging those that differ.

Lots of young people in High School or College, leave their Christian church because their faith in the validity of the Bible has been undermined. Many thoughtful people have tried to come up with a strategy to deal with the atheist arguments presented as facts in our godless education system.

Spiritualizing scripture (claiming it is allegorical rather than historical) whenever the Bible seems to say something contrary to what is believed to be known facts is one approach. As others have noted, such an approach is deeply flawed and destined for failure.

Rather than burning AS at the stake, perhaps we should prayerfully consider the way forward. Vouchers anyone.

 

[evangelist6589]

Yet another thread devoted to disparaging those that differ.

Lots of young people in High School or College, leave their Christian church because their faith in the validity of the Bible has been undermined. Many thoughtful people have tried to come up with a strategy to deal with the atheist arguments presented as facts in our godless education system.

Spiritualizing scripture (claiming it is allegorical rather than historical) whenever the Bible seems to say something contrary to what is believed to be known facts is one approach. As others have noted, such an approach is deeply flawed and destined for failure.

Rather than burning AS at the stake, perhaps we should prayerfully consider the way forward. Vouchers anyone.

Did you ever visit the zoo I suggested a long time ago? Your comments about AS are way off base, as is much of your theology Van!

 

[AV]

Andy Martin- I was referring to Andy Stanley here:
conceal a thing
Sorry for any confusion!

 

[SovereignGrace]

This guy is supposed to be a pastor of the 2nd biggest church in the USA, and yet he blatantly contradicts what the Bible teaches as Facts, and has ten's of thousands that attend his church. This is real scary and should be a warning to all Bible believing Christians, of departing from "the Faith, once and for all delivered to the saints" (Jude 3)

Remember, he also pastors over church satelittes, and those too lazy to go to church, but set at home in their PJ's drinking their morning java.