Animism?

[Walpole]

You are saying that. Satan has nothing to do with the Word of God, but with the ancient and blasphemer and religious MONSTER with 7 heads and 10 horns and upon his 7 heads the name of blasphemy, the satanic blasphemy as Vicarius Filii Dei; but actually is Vicarius Filli Satana. The 7 heads are 7 mountains, by allegory, they are Europe, Asia, Africa, Oceania(Australia), North America, Center America and South America.

But the 7 heads are also a lineage of Popes, called or nicknamed Paulus, only the last of this satanic lineage does not manifest yet, that is the seventh and last Pope. They all will be cast into the lake of fire for ever and ever. Rev. 19:v.19-21.

Did this monster thing you describe make Moses and Elijah appear to Jesus, Peter, John and James on Mt. Tabor?

 

[utilyan]

No, Mary did not appear unto any, nor can do that because she is died, your hipocrite religion invokes and worships Mary by the spirit of Devil, the father of all kind of idolatries and witcheries spread by your satanic religion, which will be burned with everlasting FIRE. The everlasting Spirit of my God is a devouring FIRE. Hebrews 12:v.29

Well if we are the bad guys.......why do you soley rely on the Devil's virtue of ACCUSATION and ACCUSER OF BRETHREN?

Why don't you hand us our tools of evil and see what you can do relying on God alone?

Galatians 6

1Brethren, even if anyone is caught in any trespass, you who are spiritual, restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness; each one looking to yourself, so that you too will not be tempted. 2Bear one another’s burdens, and thereby fulfill the law of Christ. 3For if anyone thinks he is something when he is nothing, he deceives himself.


2 Timothy 2
24And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

Lets see you prove yourself to be christian........or do you serve us and forces of darkness?

What does meekness mean little saint?

 

[Particular]

No, I still do not understand.

1. The majority of the world’s Christians believe Mary was assumed into heaven (like Elijah). John’s vision of her in the Apocalypse is used as evidence to support this belief.

2. Moses and Elijah appeared to Jesus, Peter, John and James on Mt. Tabor. Or did this never happen?

You seem to be dodging this, along with the other question I have asked.

1. The majority of self-deceived Christians (Roman Catholics) are wrong. There is zero basis for the claim.
2. The transfiguration is about Jesus Supremacy. God revealed Moses and Elijah so the disciples could recognize Jesus Supremacy over all. This is also why the letter to the Hebrews was written.

No one has dodged you. Everyone has told you how foolish your worship of apparitions is.

 

[Oseas3]

2. Moses and Elijah appeared to Jesus, Peter, John and James on Mt. Tabor. Or did this never happen?

Moses died and was buried by the own Lord, and Michael the archangel did contend with the Devil and disputed about the body of Moses , and Moses appeared on Mt. Tabor because he was ressurected, Satan could not take the body of Moses to make idolatry with it as he has made with the body of Mary through your satanic religion, leaded and guided by the religious and blasphemer MONSTER of 7 heads, 10 horns, the Beast of sea, that is the Great Whore, the woman which rides upon the Beast, the Pope, the Papacy.

Elijah did not died, Mary died and is waiting her resurrection of this seventh and last Day or seventh and last millennium.

All your questions are formulated by the spirit of Devil, he is a stumblingblock in the way, but I know him and I fight against him. Actually, Satan is manifesting himself through you such as he manifested himself in the man of Gaddarah.

 

[Oseas3]

Well if we are the bad guys.......why do you soley rely on the Devil's virtue of ACCUSATION and ACCUSER OF BRETHREN?

Why don't you hand us our tools of evil and see what you can do relying on God alone?

Galatians 6

1Brethren, even if anyone is caught in any trespass, you who are spiritual, restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness; each one looking to yourself, so that you too will not be tempted. 2Bear one another’s burdens, and thereby fulfill the law of Christ. 3For if anyone thinks he is something when he is nothing, he deceives himself.


2 Timothy 2
24And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

Lets see you prove yourself to be christian........or do you serve us and forces of darkness?

What does meekness mean little saint?

Oh am I become become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

 

[utilyan]

Oh am I become become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

"the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25In meekness instructing those that oppose"

Do you fit the bill? Yes or No?

 

[Oseas3]

"the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25In meekness instructing those that oppose"

The true Christians must be able to stand against the wiles of the Devil by the Power of my Lord JESUS, having loins girt with God's Truth, the wrestle is not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

You do not deceive me absolutely, you are at the side of the enemies of the Lord, what you are doing is the same that Satan did with my Lord in the temptation when he made mention of Psalms 91:12. I can discern you, I know your spirit.

Do you fit the bill? Yes or No?

What you are requiring it is with my LORD that I will solve, not with the Devil.

 

[Walpole]

1. The majority of self-deceived Christians (Roman Catholics) are wrong. There is zero basis for the claim.
2. The transfiguration is about Jesus Supremacy. God revealed Moses and Elijah so the disciples could recognize Jesus Supremacy over all. This is also why the letter to the Hebrews was written.

No one has dodged you. Everyone has told you how foolish your worship of apparitions is.

1. The progenitor of Protestantism taught and believed in Mary's Assumption:

"Today the festival of our dear Lady, the Mother of God, is observed to celebrate her death and departure above." - Martin Luther, Sermon on the Feast of the Assumption, 1522


2. So God revealed Moses and Elijah to reveal His supremacy, could He not also reveal Mary to St. John to reveal His supremacy? Is it just because it is Mary and she's just...well...too Catholic for God to do anything like that?

 

[Walpole]

Moses died and was buried by the own Lord, and Michael the archangel did contend with the Devil and disputed about the body of Moses , and Moses appeared on Mt. Tabor because he was ressurected, Satan could not take the body of Moses to make idolatry with it as he has made with the body of Mary through your satanic religion, leaded and guided by the religious and blasphemer MONSTER of 7 heads, 10 horns, the Beast of sea, that is the Great Whore, the woman which rides upon the Beast, the Pope, the Papacy.

Elijah did not died, Mary died and is waiting her resurrection of this seventh and last Day or seventh and last millennium.

All your questions are formulated by the spirit of Devil, he is a stumblingblock in the way, but I know him and I fight against him. Actually, Satan is manifesting himself through you such as he manifested himself in the man of Gaddarah.

So God raised Moses but Satan raised Mary?

I'm confused. Try answering the question posed to you originally, which I will ask again in a simpler form:


Question you are dodging ---> What criteria does one use to determine if an apparition is genuine?


For example, what if an apparition of Jesus appeared and he quoted a Greek pagan poet? What would you think of that? Would that prove the apparition was false?

 

[Particular]

1. The progenitor of Protestantism taught and believed in Mary's Assumption.

Read about the 7 churches in Revelation. Not all were applauded for their teaching. In fact some were rebuked for the heresy's they were allowing. The Reformation was God working to remove the false teaching in Rome. However, Rome refused God's call to reform and repent. Instead, Rome doubled down at the council of Trent. There is barely a remnant of God's people left in the church of Rome. Instead, Rome is filled with Animism.

2. So God revealed Moses and Elijah to reveal His supremacy, could He not also reveal Mary to St. John to reveal His supremacy? Is it just because it is Mary and she's just...well...too Catholic for God to do anything like that?

God can do as he wills.
God can use a talking donkey to rebuke a Seer.
Where, in the Bible, do we read of John the Apostle seeing an apparition of Mary? I did a Google search and cannot find it.
Even more so, do you actually believe that Mary thought of herself as a member of the church at Rome? That's too funny.
What is sad is that your church co-ops Animism and then works to animise Mary and other politically designated "saints" for the sole purpose of glorifying them, declaring that they can dispense merits of grace, and making shrines and relics dedicated to them. Such paganism on open display in the church is appalling, yet you seem to glory in it.

 

[Walpole]

Read about the 7 churches in Revelation. Not all were applauded for their teaching. In fact some were rebuked for the heresy's they were allowing. The Reformation was God working to remove the false teaching in Rome. However, Rome refused God's call to reform and repent. Instead, Rome doubled down at the council of Trent. There is barely a remnant of God's people left in the church of Rome. Instead, Rome is filled with Animism.

What happened to the Assumption? Did Luther forget to remove that false teaching? Or was he under the spell of Rome's Animism?

God can do as he wills.
God can use a talking donkey to rebuke a Seer.
Where, in the Bible, do we read of John the Apostle seeing an apparition of Mary? I did a Google search and cannot find it.
Even more so, do you actually believe that Mary thought of herself as a member of the church at Rome? That's too funny.
What is sad is that your church co-ops Animism and then works to animise Mary and other politically designated "saints" for the sole purpose of glorifying them, declaring that they can dispense merits of grace, and making shrines and relics dedicated to them. Such paganism on open display in the church is appalling, yet you seem to glory in it.

You hit the nail on the head! The God of Calvinism (along with the God of Islam) acts with pure will (Voluntas).
Thus this God acts with pure will, that is, above and contra-reason. He is unconstrained by any principle or any reason and hence capriciousness is essential to His very nature. Thus He can and does act completely arbitrarily. In Calvinism and Islam, God acts Voluntas.

By contrast, the God of Christianity acts with Logos. By His nature He acts with reason and love. To not act in accordance with reason and love would be contrary to His very nature.

This is why the God of Calvinism (and Islam) can hate and takes pleasure in man's destruction. It is the complete antithesis of the God of Christianity, who loves man so much He become one.

 

[Particular]

What happened to the Assumption? Did Luther forget to remove that false teaching? Or was he under the spell of Rome's Animism?

What is the "Assumption?"
You are avoiding the fact that Rome has co-opted animism as I have pointed out.

You hit the nail on the head! The God of Calvinism (along with the God of Islam) acts with pure will (Voluntas).
This God He acts with pure will, acting above and contra-reason. He is unconstrained by any principle or any reason and hence capriciousness is essential to His very nature. Thus He can and does act completely arbitrarily. In Calvinism and Islam, God acts Voluntas.

You have made yourself higher than God in this statement. You judge God's Sovereign right to do whatever He wills by saying he acts arbitrarily. You think it's arbitrary because you are too ignorant and lacking knowledge to know what God is doing (as are all humans).

By contrast, the God of Christianity acts with Logos. By His nature He acts with reason and love. To not act in accordance with reason and love would be contrary to His very nature.

Being Sovereign and having the Sovereign right to act as God wills does not, ipso facto, mean God does not act without Logos. Your reasoning is faulty.

This is why the God of Calvinism (and Islam) can hate and takes pleasure in man's destruction. It is the complete antithesis of the God of Christianity, who loves man so much He become one.

This is a false conclusion from your faulty reasoning.
God does not need to find pleasure in man's damnation in order to be just. A judge can both justly sentence a man for his crime and simultaneously be sad that such sin was exhibited and thus required judgment.
The loving judge requires that justice be met.
God so loved the world that he gave his Son, that...whoever believes...will have eternal life.
What happens to whoever doesn't believe?
God's atoning sacrifice pays the requirement of death for sin, to whoever believes. To those who don't believe, they pay the price themselves. This is just and loving. This is God, the just and loving Creator.

Walpole, your thinking is faulty. I blame your church and your ignorance.

 

[David Kent]

St. John saw Mary in the 12th chapter of his Apocalypse. I guess she was in the "seventh and last millennium seventh and last day", whatever that means!

No he didn't, nhe saw a symbol of the true church.

 

[David Kent]

No, I still do not understand.

1. The majority of the world’s Christians believe Mary was assumed into heaven (like Elijah). John’s vision of her in the Apocalypse is used as evidence to support this belief.

2. Moses and Elijah appeared to Jesus, Peter, John and James on Mt. Tabor. Or did this never happen?

You seem to be dodging this, along with the other question I have asked.

Moses was not. He was buried by God.

bible does not say that mary was assumed into heavn, that is a papal assumption.

 

[Particular]

If Mary is the person in Revelation 12, then she cannot have been a perpetual virgin.

Revelation 12:17 Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus. And he stood on the sand of the sea.

Since Mary is never invoked in Revelation 12, it seems the woman is symbolic, not an actual physical human being.

Walpoles insistence on humans seeing ghosts is consistent with animist beliefs.

 

[David Kent]

What happened to the Assumption? Did Luther forget to remove that false teaching? Or was he under the spell of Rome's Animism?

Luther learn't slowly. He first thought the pope was what he claimed, It took him quite a time to realise that the pope was in fact Antichrist, then he excommunicated the papacy, fulfilling Revelation 11:2 casting out the outer court.

 

[Walpole]

What is the "Assumption?"
You are avoiding the fact that Rome has co-opted animism as I have pointed out.

The Assumption is God assuming Mary's body and soul into heavenly glory at the end of her life.

You never addressed the OP regarding Rome's supposed co-opting of Animism. Were St. Stephen, Paul and John all adherents of Animism? For they all received apparitions.

You have made yourself higher than God in this statement. You judge God's Sovereign right to do whatever He wills by saying he acts arbitrarily. You think it's arbitrary because you are too ignorant and lacking knowledge to know what God is doing (as are all humans).

Spare me the "You have made yourself higher than God" schtick. I have pointed out that in Calvinism, like in Islam, God acts with pure will. (You even admit to such, as I have a quotation of yours at the end of my post.)

Thus the God of Calvinism is thus unconstrained by any principle or any reason and hence capriciousness is essential to His very nature. Hence he can and does arbitrarily elect some to glory and others to destruction.

Being Sovereign and having the Sovereign right to act as God wills does not, ipso facto, mean God does not act without Logos. Your reasoning is faulty.

The God of Calvinism (and Islam) acts contra-Logos.

This is a false conclusion from your faulty reasoning.
God does not need to find pleasure in man's damnation in order to be just. A judge can both justly sentence a man for his crime and simultaneously be sad that such sin was exhibited and thus required judgment.
The loving judge requires that justice be met.

Calvin's God (as well as the God of Islam) takes pleasure in man's damnation...

“We say, then, that Scripture clearly proves this much, that God by his eternal and immutable counsel determined once for all those whom it was his pleasure one day to admit to salvation, and those whom, on the other hand, it was his pleasure to doom to destruction.” (Ibid, 3:21.6)

God so loved the world that he gave his Son, that...whoever believes...will have eternal life.
What happens to whoever doesn't believe?
God's atoning sacrifice pays the requirement of death for sin, to whoever believes. To those who don't believe, they pay the price themselves. This is just and loving. This is God, the just and loving Creator.

Walpole, your thinking is faulty. I blame your church and your ignorance.

For the God of Calvinism, all the belief in the world is not going to save you if you have been created for God to take pleasure in destroying. You even acknowledged in another thread that faith in Jesus Christ has no bearing on one's election, but rather only God's pure will. Your admission below only affirms what I am writing about Calvin's God acting with pure will...

"Scripture says that Jesus Christ is not the criterion for election.
The good pleasure of God's will, is.
It also teaches that a person's faith is not the criterion for election.
It is the evidence of things not seen..." - You, Here

This is the antithesis of the Christian faith, which promises salvation for those who put their faith in Jesus Christ.

 

[Walpole]

If Mary is the person in Revelation 12, then she cannot have been a perpetual virgin.

Revelation 12:17 Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus. And he stood on the sand of the sea.

Since Mary is never invoked in Revelation 12, it seems the woman is symbolic, not an actual physical human being.

Revelation 12 is polyvalent. Hence it contains both literal and figurative language. For example...


Literal ---> A woman; a male child; a ruler of all nations

Figurative ---> Clothed with the sun; standing on the moon; a crown with stars; a dragon; offspring


We know this because the Apostle begins by stating what he sees is a sign. Signs are figurative representations of that which is literal.

Walpoles insistence on humans seeing ghosts is consistent with animist beliefs.

I didn't write the Apocalypse, St. John did. Was he an adherent of Animism?

 

[Walpole]

No he didn't, nhe saw a symbol of the true church.

The Church didn't give birth to Christ.

 

[Walpole]

Luther learn't slowly. He first thought the pope was what he claimed, It took him quite a time to realise that the pope was in fact Antichrist, then he excommunicated the papacy, fulfilling Revelation 11:2 casting out the outer court.

What does this have to do with the progenitor of Protestantism believing in the Assumption of Mary?

Do you have any evidence he renounced this belief?