Another Study . . .

[Reynolds]

Pro tip: Put in in my file now, save yourself wasted time later. Hahahaha. You could use this response as me admitting to gossiping, but I’m not. It becomes harder to win playing the same hand when everyone has seen how you play your cards. Mind games make trust hard to come by. Mega cheers.

The list is long of those past and present members who question the accuracy, or should I say convenient inaccuracy, of JonC's memory.

 

[JonC]

Jon, you are sounding more & more democratic/liberal/progressive...yada, yada, yada, with virtually every post you make concerning this vax!
And, NO, I'm not going to cite examples - as you said above - "Don't expect me to do your homework."!!!

I have a little time, do I will provide examples of my "Democrat/liberal/progressive" views.

1. The vaccines are effective and statistically safe. (I e., the Trump platform on vaccines).

2. The federal government mandating federal contractors require a vaccine is government overreach.

3. The federal government mandating how private businesses deal with the virus is government overreach.

4. Private businesses should maintain the rights to run their own businesses and make business decisions.



So, essentially you believe those who see the vaccines as effective against covid (like Donald Trump) are Democrat liberal progressives.

But at the same time you sound a lot like a pre-election Democrat.

 

[Two Wings]

No. One death due to omicron and more hospitalized. Just like with the Delta varient it will take time to know if this varient is more deadly. The last I heard (walking by a TV playing Fox News in the cafeteria) it seems to be mild among the vaccinated but severe among the unvaccinated. I don't know how covid survivors were counted in that report.

I haven’t heard of any severe symptoms beyond the one death suspected by omicron cv ... but most infected are cv vaxed. Of course, by now most are cv vaxed, so if there is no significant protection by the cv vax, it’d stand to reason cv vaxed would have more infections than non cv vaxed.

 

[JonC]

I haven’t heard of any severe symptoms beyond the one death suspected by omicron cv ... but most infected are cv vaxed. Of course, by now most are cv vaxed, so if there is no significant protection by the cv vax, it’d stand to reason cv vaxed would have more infections than non cv vaxed.

There are several in the hospital. Protection by virtue of a vaccination depends on how long ago people were vaccinated. With the Delta varient we know the vaccination offers protection up to a year (but decreased after about 6 months). We know the same is true of "natural immunity".

The best case for the unvaccinated is "natural" and acquired immunity are equally effective. Even here, though, the covid survival rate is too low for immunity via infection to be a good idea.

I think Delta is still the major concern (as Delta makes up 99% of new cases in the US). Most dying are unvaccinated.

 

[Two Wings]

Most dying are unvaccinated.

* are using the inept treatment protocol of “go home” first. STILL.

It’s unbelievable.

Not everyone can be saved from this disease, but a whole lot more than are can be ... and SHOULD be. Without the cv jab.

 

[Two Wings]

After my source in the vet school told me most of those animals‘ lasting a life expectancy adjusted two human years post injection.

I’ll be waiting until Dec ‘23 ... unless I see a hand writing on the wall ... or hear from a talking burning bush.

My direction was quite clear. I’m not gonna dismiss that one.

 

[JonC]

* are using the inept treatment protocol of “go home” first. STILL.

It’s unbelievable.

Not everyone can be saved from this disease, but a whole lot more than are can be ... and SHOULD be. Without the cv jab.

Perhaps it is just a coincidence that the category dying the most are unvaccinated. Maybe they would have been dying at a higher rate regardless.

I am not opposed to developing alternate treatments. Looks like Pfizer's covid pill may be promising.

But the anti-covid-vaxers are a political group. They will accept no treatment if it is a product of science or if their political party is not the party in power when it is advocated.

 

[JonC]

After my source in the vet school told me most of those animals‘ lasting a life expectancy adjusted two human years post injection.

I’ll be waiting until Dec ‘23 ... unless I see a hand writing on the wall ... or hear from a talking burning bush.

My direction was quite clear. I’m not gonna dismiss that one.

This has been debunked. But animals have died of covid (a mountain lion, if I recall).

 

[Two Wings]

This has been debunked. But animals have died of covid (a mountain lion, if I recall).

Ill get the source doc when i can. But this professor was one who was doing the research.

The face checker is wrong or this guy lied

which is more likely?

i recognize the implications for one who has jabbed. I think there’s treatment to neutralize this but it probably needs to be engaged soon (first year is the estimate)

 

[Two Wings]

Nothing works when it is withheld

 

[JonC]

Ill get the source doc when i can. But this professor was one who was doing the research.

The face checker is wrong or this guy lied

which is more likely?

i recognize the implications for one who has jabbed. I think there’s treatment to neutralize this but it probably needs to be engaged soon (first year is the estimate)

Dr. Reamer (sp?), national expert on clinical documentation improvement (CDI) and ICD-10, reported that no animal has died from the vaccines in the animal trials. Typically the animals are destroyed after the trial is completed.

I think the most likely explanation is neither lied, but the source at the vet school was repeating what he or she had heard.

 

[Two Wings]

Dr. Reamer (sp?), national expert on clinical documentation improvement (CDI) and ICD-10, reported that no animal has died from the vaccines in the animal trials. Typically the animals are destroyed after the trial is completed.

I think the most likely explanation is neither lied, but the source at the vet school was repeating what he or she had heard.

Ok

 

[1689Dave]

Just look at the data.
Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States

That's OK, we'll see how you do in the latest outbreak.

 

[canadyjd]

I have a little time, do I will provide examples of my "Democrat/liberal/progressive" views.

1. The vaccines are effective and statistically safe. (I e., the Trump platform on vaccines).

2. The federal government mandating federal contractors require a vaccine is government overreach.

3. The federal government mandating how private businesses deal with the virus is government overreach.

4. Private businesses should maintain the rights to run their own businesses and make business decisions.



So, essentially you believe those who see the vaccines as effective against covid (like Donald Trump) are Democrat liberal progressives.

But at the same time you sound a lot like a pre-election Democrat.

I can’t speak for anyone but myself. I agree with all you just said but…. That is not all you are saying.

You are attacking those you call “anti-vac” as anti-science along lines of flat earth believers, when they are following the science that those recovered from COVID-19 have better and longer lasting immunity from the virus and variants than those vaccinated, that vaccinating children is unnecessary risk (based on the science) and that requiring children to wear mask/shutting down schools will likely harm an entire generation of children in ways we won’t even realize for decades.

Add to that your outrageous gas-lighting comments and hard feelings are quickly generated.

peace to you

 

[just-want-peace]

I can’t speak for anyone but myself. I agree with all you just said but…. That is not all you are saying.—————Add to that your outrageous gas-lighting comments and hard feelings are quickly generated.

peace to you

And the beat goes on, — — and on, —— and on ———————!!!!!

 

[JonC]

I can’t speak for anyone but myself. I agree with all you just said but…. That is not all you are saying.

You are attacking those you call “anti-vac” as anti-science along lines of flat earth believers, when they are following the science that those recovered from COVID-19 have better and longer lasting immunity from the virus and variants than those vaccinated, that vaccinating children is unnecessary risk (based on the science) and that requiring children to wear mask/shutting down schools will likely harm an entire generation of children in ways we won’t even realize for decades.

Add to that your outrageous gas-lighting comments and hard feelings are quickly generated.

peace to you

Not all, but I am some. A member on this thread about covid being a Freemason plot, a New World order to decrease the population, etc.
Those are conspiracy theorists.

Then we have some anti-vaxers who believe the vaccines do not protect against covid, that genome sequencing is a myth, that mRNA vaccines are gene therapy, that they alter DNA, etc.

These deny science and are like flat-earthers.


I am not speaking to those who reject a shot because they believe the risk of the shot outweigh the risk of the virus. That is not denying science. That is making a decision based on information.

 

[Two Wings]

Looks like the J/J is going down … again.

Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 Vaccine Not 'Preferred' Due to Link to Severe Condition: CDC Advisers

 

[Two Wings]

For any who have taken the J/J

consider this regimen to mitigate the effects. God bless you

Graphene Oxide Detox Protocols For The Vaxxed and Unvaxxed

 

[JonC]

Looks like the J/J is going down … again.

Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 Vaccine Not 'Preferred' Due to Link to Severe Condition: CDC Advisers

Yea....That is one I did not consider. I was familiar with mRNA, but the J&J vaccine had possible issues early on. Still, chances are low of the adverse effect (.001%) and it was listed as a known possible side-effect. I just wasn't too keen on taking a traditional virus based vaccine for a virus we knew so little about.

 

[Two Wings]

Jansen clearly didn't pay their “property taxes”