Yes you did whether you admit/know it or not. If deaths are called covid when it is really a motorcycle accident I call that fraud. You claim under counts, prove it? You are speculating, whereas the false counts are KNOWN for over counting. If we want to speculate we could go the other way and guess there is a greater gross inflation of the numbers for various reasons. Then we look at vax deaths and injuries. Do you really think those true numbers are public??
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No it did not. You may have abandoned reason 8 months ago, or rejected the obvious or whatever, but that changes nothing at all. The consequences of repeated injections over time for the various age groups is not really known. Yet the alternative treatments are not advanced and a priority, rather the ramrodding of the agenda involving loss of freedom, great reset, etc etc is thrust on the world in a way that was probably never seen before for anything.
Yes it is. So there. I know you are but what am I?
Well Andre, everything I put in quotes I got from this thread.
However, in going back and looking for those post's addresses I could not find them, so I will withdraw from accusing you of making those remarks.
But here are some where Christians on this forum's thread are being characterized as being deceitful:
"I am not suggesting people be banned for repeatedly lying. I just think that those of us who call them out on it" #9
" I have been banned from a number of forums for politely calling out such lying." in quote #11
"Well, here is one such lie:" #17
"You are making this up" #17
"I am deeply concerned about the amount of distortion and lying about covid." #35
"what I see as systematic distortion by Christians" #35
"All I am saying is that there is a lot of lying by people who self-identify as Christians." #37
If, repeat if, Christians are lying, should that not be rebuked?
I trust you realize that a forum rule that prohibits members from calling other people liars is not a free pass to lie.
And more pointedly, I trust we agree that trying to trick someone into violating the forum rules is not creditable behavior.
I'd tell you, but you wouldn't understand.
You can call it fraud but it is not. Counting deaths attributable to covid is technically complicated and we do not have the time or the money to do a detailed investigation of each death. So, for pragmatic reasons, imperfect counting systems have to be implemented. And, yes, one of the imperfections is overcounts - as in the case of the guy killed on a motorcycles. But there are also undercounts to consider - deaths factually related to covid but that are not captured by the counting system.
You guys gloss over these facts - you screen out information that does not serve your agenda.
Contrast that with what I am doing - I am conceding that there are overcounts and pointing out the fact - that you remain conveniently silent on - that there are also undercounts.
No, I am not speculating - it is a fact that there are undercounts just as it is a fact that there are the overcounts you misleadingly focus on.
No it is not.
It is one side - the anti-vaxxer side - systematically spreading misinformation and citing exceedingly dubious sources.
Those opposed to the vaccine often take the line you are taking - attempting to frame the issue as a debate about opinion.
Well, that is a carefully, cynically crafted strategy to try to gloss over the inconvenient truth that this is really a debate between solid science and reputable experts, on the one hand, and misinformation and quackery, on the other.
Here it is Andre:
" I do not need to stop and pray for guidance from the Holy Spirit." post 89
And, as I knew you had done, you have carefully sliced one sentence of mine out of context.
Here is what I actually wrote:
For example, how is it "prideful" to point out the obvious truth that before crossing the road, I do not need to stop and pray for guidance from the Holy Spirit.
Now here is how you have represented that quote:
I do not need to stop and pray for guidance from the Holy Spirit
Well? Is it an accident that you have omitted the context of my statement - namely the scenario when I am crossing the street?
You wouldn't be trying to misrepresent me as denying the role of the Holy Spirit by taking my statement that I do not consult the Holy Spirit when crossing the road and and implying that I generally do not seek the guidance of the Spirit, would you?
I did actually say what? That I do not consult the Holy Spirit?
If this is what you mean, you surely must understand that now that readers have seen the full context of my statement, any attempts to imply that I generally discount the role of the Holy Spirit are cynical distortions of the truth.
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