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Anti-vax thugs

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JonC

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You ain't deep, you just ain't clear :)
I know you are but what am I....? :Laugh

"You've been telling me you're a genius since you were seventeen
In all the time I've known you I still don't know what you mean
The weekend at the college didn't turn out like you planned
The things that pass for knowledge I can't understand" :Whistling:Whistling:Whistling:Whistling
 

JonC

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That's Doobieous.
No it isn't. That's Steely Dan.

"But a fool believes he sees
The wise man has the power to reason away
What seems to be"

That's Doobieous.


The "wu hand luke" title inspired me. :Laugh
 

dad2

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I know you are but what am I....? :Laugh

"You've been telling me you're a genius since you were seventeen
In all the time I've known you I still don't know what you mean
The weekend at the college didn't turn out like you planned
The things that pass for knowledge I can't understand" :Whistling:Whistling:Whistling:Whistling
Except I never once said anything of the sort. Unless you think anyone who does not trust vaccinations is a genius? If so, we might ask where that leaves you since you took the needles.
 

JonC

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Except I never once said anything of the sort. Unless you think anyone who does not trust vaccinations is a genius? If so, we might ask where that leaves you since you took the needles.
Yes, I suspect some - not most - who do not trust vaccinations believe themselves geniuses. They just like taking the "anti" positions of this life. The experts say something, the anties reject it- not for evidence but because it was said. But hey, rebellion is human nature.

You're a "vaccination emo" :Laugh .


It leaves me not pretending to know the future and trusting God.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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Had my family trusted God in the first place we would still had my sister, well, able to speak, able to function like a normal human being. I guess that’s the moral of the story….what a severe lesson to have learned.
 

JonC

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Had my family trusted God in the first place we would still had my sister, well, able to speak, able to function like a normal human being. I guess that’s the moral of the story….what a severe lesson to have learned.
Yes, God works through even our disobedience. But as believers we know it is not divine wrath but the discipline of a father.

Should God lead you to get a vaccination He will use that to his glory. Should he lead you to refuse the shot also that will be to His glory. But God never blesses disobedience. He uses it, ultimately for our good. But often we miss out on blessings because of disobedience.

And these lessons are often severe in terms of consequences in this lifetime.

The lesson is if God leads you to a certain action then do it, even if you do not know what the consequences will be.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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Yes, God works through even our disobedience. But as believers we know it is not divine wrath but the discipline of a father.

Should God lead you to get a vaccination He will use that to his glory. Should he lead you to refuse the shot also that will be to His glory. But God never blesses disobedience. He uses it, ultimately for our good. But often we miss out on blessings because of disobedience.

And these lessons are often severe in terms of consequences in this lifetime.

The lesson is if God leads you to a certain action then do it, even if you do not know what the consequences will be.
Here is the test, do I put my faith and trust in God or do I put my faith and trust in man... knowing that man will not be gracious as God is gracious. It’s not a matter of disobedience, I’ve heard that word too much by Christians attempting to direct me to live and be a certain way... indeed my parents chose the path of science and conformity and were crushed by it. No, I’m putting Christ my savior first and if I am instructed by Him to conform to the world, then so be it. But this is a life lesson Jon... I look at my sisters pictures, I’ve lived through the heartaches, I’ve seen the brokenness of peoples lives. And it’s really the inhumanity of it all and the suffering that has made me turn to God.
 

JonC

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Here is the test, do I put my faith and trust in God or do I put my faith and trust in man... knowing that man will not be gracious as God is gracious. It’s not a matter of disobedience, I’ve heard that word too much by Christians attempting to direct me to live and be a certain way... indeed my parents chose the path of science and conformity and were crushed by it. No, I’m putting Christ my savior first and if I am instructed by Him to conform to the world, then so be it. But this is a life lesson Jon... I look at my sisters pictures, I’ve lived through the heartaches, I’ve seen the brokenness of peoples lives. And it’s really the inhumanity of it all and the suffering that has made me turn to God.
I agree. I put my faith in God. For me, it means taking the vaccine myself. You place your faith in God. For you this means not being vaccinated.

We all have experiences God has placed in our lives. For me, it may be a relative in his early 20's suffering the results of covid, or a friend whose 24 year old daughter had a covid stroke. For you, perhaps it is your sister.

My point is you and I cannot dictate for one another what our faith will look like. We have to be faithful to God in our choices, even if others (just as faithful) would choose differently.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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And in despair I bowed my head ;
"There is no peace on earth," I said ;
"For hate is strong
And mocks the song
Of peace on earth, good-will to men !"

Then pealed the bells more loud and deep:
"God is not dead ; nor doth he sleep !
The Wrong shall fail,
The Right prevail,
With peace on earth, good-will to men !"
 

dad2

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Yes, I suspect some - not most - who do not trust vaccinations believe themselves geniuses. They just like taking the "anti" positions of this life. The experts say something, the anties reject it- not for evidence but because it was said. But hey, rebellion is human nature.

You're a "vaccination emo" :Laugh .


It leaves me not pretending to know the future and trusting God.
Except that it is only you bringing 'genius' into the discussion here. Basically, it is like this. The vaccine kills and causes serious injury. It is also the vehicle which despots of the most Satanic persuasion possibly in history are using to rob freedom and usher in the darkest tyranny. The decreasing effectiveness of the shots against variants is becoming evident as time goes by. Many people have decided that they will get no more shots if boosters are required. Many others want nothing to do with the vaccine and lockdown insanity and idiotic face diaper nonsense.The question is what part of 'NO' do the vaxxer gestapo not understand?
 

JonC

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"Generals gather in their masses
Except that it is only you bringing 'genius' into the discussion here. Basically, it is like this. The vaccine kills and causes serious injury. It is also the vehicle which despots of the most Satanic persuasion possibly in history are using to rob freedom and usher in the darkest tyranny. The decreasing effectiveness of the shots against variants is becoming evident as time goes by. Many people have decided that they will get no more shots if boosters are required. Many others want nothing to do with the vaccine and lockdown insanity and idiotic face diaper nonsense.The question is what part of 'NO' do the vaxxer gestapo not understand?
Covid has been the most dangerous virus this century and has killed millions of people. As Christians we would glorify God that He has provided vaccines which have saved so many lives and continues to mitigate the virus. God has blessed us with the minds to develop such vaccines. He provided the right US President, President Trump, at the appropriate time to focus resources on developing these resources.

God is good. He not only knows the future but He holds us in His hands even as delusional men choose deception and deny the virus exists or the benefits of the vaccines.
 

dad2

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"Generals gather in their masses

Covid has been the most dangerous virus this century and has killed millions of people. As Christians we would glorify God that He has provided vaccines which have saved so many lives and continues to mitigate the virus. God has blessed us with the minds to develop such vaccines. He provided the right US President, President Trump, at the appropriate time to focus resources on developing these resources.

God is good. He not only knows the future but He holds us in His hands even as delusional men choose deception and deny the virus exists or the benefits of the vaccines.
Believe what you like. The way we deal with it is what the issue is. The death rate is what less than half a percent or some such? That does not justify starving millions to death, making life a lot more hellish, and the loss of freedoms.
 

JonC

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Believe what you like. The way we deal with it is what the issue is. The death rate is what less than half a percent or some such? That does not justify starving millions to death, making life a lot more hellish, and the loss of freedoms.
Yet the I'll effects of the vaccine are much less than the death rate of the virus.

The point being that your argument about vaccine reactions fails by your minimalization of covid deaths.


A person has a .0020% chance of dying of a vaccine. An average unvaccinated person has a .05% chance of dying from covid.

You are discounting covid deaths because of the low chance of people dying of covid - yet the odds of dying of a vacvine is 2500% less than dying of covid.

By your reasoning the risk of the vaccine (which would significantly lower the risk of covid death) is so obscure it does not matter.



Unvaccinated covid deaths is 1540% higher than vaccinated covid deaths (you are 15.4 times more likely to die of covid than I am). Since YOU consider .05% low enough to be obsolete the .002% should not even be a hint of a concern.
 

dad2

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Yet the I'll effects of the vaccine are much less than the death rate of the virus.

The point being that your argument about vaccine reactions fails by your minimalization of covid deaths.


A person has a .0020% chance of dying of a vaccine. An average unvaccinated person has a .05% chance of dying from covid.

You are discounting covid deaths because of the low chance of people dying of covid - yet the odds of dying of a vacvine is 2500% less than dying of covid.

By your reasoning the risk of the vaccine (which would significantly lower the risk of covid death) is so obscure it does not matter.



Unvaccinated covid deaths is 1540% higher than vaccinated covid deaths (you are 15.4 times more likely to die of covid than I am). Since YOU consider .05% low enough to be obsolete the .002% should not even be a hint of a concern.
We don't really know since no real figures are avail that show deaths and effects from the vax. In some places all were vaxxed and they got sick. That means 100%! The numbers do not exist that are honest or reliable for you to cite what any risk is. It is all a matter of belief, and many of us do not believe a word they say any more. In fact, we absolutely disbelieve them. Many of the known liar politicians and blabber mouths used to advance the tyranny are absolute liars.
 

Andre

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You guys always do this - shift the burden of proof that you bear.

When two parties are in a discussion and one makes a claim that the other disputes, the one who makes the claim typically has a burden of proof to justify or substantiate that claim

Your claim, your responsibility to substantiate.

What evidence is there that the covid measures have "starved millions to death"?
 
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