Anyone heard this?

[Elnora]

To all of you. Still no scripture on music style. But I see accusations of carnal and worldly, a man that listens to secular music of his choice, inuendos of unbelief, they will call evil good etc. etc. I didn't mean what I said, and more accusations. And amen to blah blah blah.

No scripture to refute the style I spoke of, overlooked the fact that I said I personally don't care for rap, just judgement from brothers and sisters when you are called on your inconsistencies. As for me. I am saved by the precious blood of Christ alone. If you all think your works make you holy or better by accusations, innuendos and condemnations. Have at it.

 

[Thankful]

Well, I finally got this video to work on my computer and I really enjoyed it. It was the first rap music that I have ever understood. I can see where young people who love rap music could learn good things about the Bible from listening to this music.

Of course, I have never heard the so called "original" referred to; therefore, I didn't see or hear any reference to "body parts".

What I heard was a young man who wanted a Proverbs 31 girl for his bride. Can't argue with that.

 

[Daniel]

Having been the teacher of a student gifted in writing and performing Christian rap, I quickly learned to shut my mouth about it and watch in wonder and praise as God mightily used Brian amongst our Christian school students. This genuine young man who passionately loves the Lord for delivering him out of an awful lifestyle has the gift for reaching into our students' hearts with his lyrics and communication style.

Do I personally like Christian rap? No. I've been very clear on that in this forum. I have just learned to get my judgmental nose out of the air and am learning to let God use the weak things of this earth (such as my student) to confound the mighty.

Thank God Brian does not read the stuff posted here. He has been asked to represent abstinence agencies nationwide. He is also being tapped by the agency against violence for his powerful words dealing with the topics of abuse and violence against the innocent.

But, then again, nobody ever told the bumblebee he's not supposed to be able to fly!

 

[El_Guero]

count to ten

 

[El_Guero]

count to ten in Japanese

 

[El_Guero]

Brothers and Sisters,

Can anyone show me a scripture where it tells us that we get to Heaven by writing our names upon our Bibles?

I have studied the NT through so many times that I have honestly lost count. (KJV, NIV, Spanish, & Greek) I have somehow missed the verse telling me that I do not need the Blood of Christ ...

 

[Elnora]

Brother El_Guero,

I went back and listened closely to that song three more times looking for where it was said that "we get to Heaven by writing our names upon our Bibles".

No it did not say that. I went to the lyrics, in the first verse it said "Got her name engraved
So you know that girl is saved"

Now that could mean her name is written in the book of life, that is what I took it to mean, or as you thought by writing her name in it saved her. So I went to their website and looked at their statement of faith. It stated"

The Essentials:
New Life is the kind of place where lots of people with lots of backgrounds come together to seek and love God. Regardless of what you believe, New Life is a safe place to come, ask your questions, and learn about God. People at New Life have a variety of beliefs about lots of things. That doesn't mean that anything goes, just that we believe we should unite in core belief, and allow liberty in secondary issues. There are things that God teaches us are beyond debate. As God's authoritative communication to human being, we rely on the Bible for God's direction on what we believe and how we should live. These are the essentials:

1. God created the world

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. (Genesis 1:1 NIV)

2. The Person of Jesus
a. Jesus is God.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. (John 1:1-3 NIV)

b. Jesus was God in the Flesh

The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. (John 1:14 NIV)

c. Jesus lived a perfect life and died a substitutionary death for our sins.

“He committed no sin, and no deceit was found in his mouth.” When they hurled their insults at him, he did not retaliate; when he suffered, he made no threats. Instead, he entrusted himself to him who judges justly. He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; by his wounds you have been healed. (1 Peter 2:22-24 NIV)

d. Jesus’ Bodily Resurrection

But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. (1 Corinthians 15:20-22 NIV)

3. Salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus

For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God (Ephesians 2:8 NIV)

We can disagree on lots of stuff. Not on that.

4. One day, Jesus will return to judge the world

For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to all men by raising him from the dead.” (Acts 17:31 NIV)

5. Eternity is Real: This life is preparation for eternity with God or without God.

Jesus said... “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it." (Matthew 7:13-14 NIV)

6. The Bible is God’s Word

All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. (2 Timothy 3:16-17 NIV)

You may also e-mail them if you have questions.

 

[El_Guero]

Friend

It is about time you read what I wrote instead of misquoting me.

But, A clear simple reading of what they are talking about is heresy. But, it is cute. Therefore many Christians on this thread have let a heresy slip in because it is cute. And those of us that objected (I, personally, am gravely offended) were attacked by other Christians.

Enuff

 

[Elnora]

This is exactly what you said:

"Can anyone show me a scripture where it tells us that we get to Heaven by writing our names upon our Bibles?"

No one said you get to heaven by writing their name upon our bible. You mistook what was said in the words. I went back to make sure I didn't misunderstand the song, listened three times, read the lyrics, went to the site read their statement of faith and posted it for you. This was what I replied to. Now you want to change the subject again, or be offended that I showed you? I addressed each issue as it came. Enough is right.

 

[bapmom]

El Guero,

I agree with you. Id forgotten why I hadn't joined this site earlier. So many times the conservatives among us are the ones here that are looked down on and ridiculed.

Now, Elnora was earlier wondering if anyone had an intelligent response to EricB?

Let's get to what music really is, and the study of it will show you (hopefully, if you are willing to take it to heart), that there are unGodly forms of music just as there are Godly forms.

First of all, strictly looking at music....forgetting lyrics for now......there are three basic parts to music.

Melody
Harmony
Rhythm

All three are a valid part of music. Our God is a balanced God....."Let all things be done decently and in order", He is not the author of chaos, etc.....
So, let's agree that God would want balance and order in His music, as well. Anything, when out of balance or out of the natural order that GOD has ordained, has thus been perverted by the world and no longer qualifies as godly. This would then apply to music as well.

Ok, music speaks to us as human beings, on levels that not all of us understand, and no one understands completely. Howver, basically the Melody speaks to our spirit, the Harmony speaks to our soul(emotions, intellect, will) the Rhythm speaks to our body(the flesh)

It is not Godly to totally deny the body and all physical things, correct? Is there a music that does this?
Yes.
There is a music that is ALL Harmony. Basically no melody and absolutely no rhythm. It has no direction, no body to it, very ethereal. Out of balance. This is the music that the New Agers have made so popular. Emotion leads this music, and God tells us that our emotions are not supposed to lead us. While emotions are important they should not be first.

Now, is there a music that is ALL Rhythm?
Yes, that would be rap....the "music" that is being discussed here. It is ALL body, no melody and no harmony at all. It puts the body first, and the Bible tells us that we are to put our bodies into subjection. The body is not supposed to be leading us (carnal Christianity has this problem, we all have a problem in this area.) While the body is important it is not supposed to be first, not even second, it is to be last in line.

Lastly, there is music that is melody led. It speaks to our spirit, the part of us that is supposed to be in charge, under the control of the Holy Spirit.

When judging music, each individual song, we should keep these things in mind. There are variations of unbalance, but the spirit should always be in control, the emotions providing color and "harmony" to our life, and our body in subjection but providing an underlying support system that is used for good.

You can get into lyrics after all this is in balance. Lyrics can take an in-balance tune and turn it into an unGodly venture. BUT, lyrics are really secondary. They canNOT take and OUT OF BALANCE song and turn it into a GODLY song. You canNOT have one thing balanced and the other UNbalanced and still have it be pleasing to God. This would apply in all areas of our life.
I can't say that Im living a Godly life if I cuss and drink and do drugs while Im at home, but I still go to church on the weekends. "Hey, I go to church!" is not going to excuse the parts of my life that are wrong.
In the same way, if a tune (song) has good lyrics but it speaks solely to the body and ignores all the other parts than itis out of balance and is not pleasing to God.

 

[Rachel]

Originally posted by Elnora:
This is exactly what you said:

"Can anyone show me a scripture where it tells us that we get to Heaven by writing our names upon our Bibles?"

No one said you get to heaven by writing their name upon our bible. You mistook what was said in the words. I went back to make sure I didn't misunderstand the song, listened three times, read the lyrics, went to the site read their statement of faith and posted it for you. This was what I replied to. Now you want to change the subject again, or be offended that I showed you? I addressed each issue as it came. Enough is right.

Elnora, thank you for your posts and making things so clear for all of us. I'm glad you and some others in this thread like Daniel understand.

No need to waste your time anymore. Enough is definitely enough...you're just spittin in the wind. lol

baby got book

 

[Ed Edwards]

Amen, Sister Rachel. You are Right-on!

 

[Aaron]

Keep posting, bapmom!

Eric has been told exactly what you've said many times. Music is judged by it's appeal, which really is the ultimate meaning of music, and he agrees. He just doesn't understand the differences between the spirit and the flesh.

 

[Elnora]

bapmom,
You made a false assumption about me I ask you about it and rather than answer me you go off on another tangent about things that have nothing to do with what I addressed, and worse... more assumptions and no reply to your first assumption about me.

El_Guero, and I believe he mistook some words in the lyrics, thought they were mocking the blood of Christ. Thus the reason I searched the site and posted their statement of faith. I saw no heretical doctrine there.

I said the song was a parody.
A parody is a literary or artistic work that imitates the characteristic style of an author or a work for comic effect or ridicule.

 

[bapmom]

Elnora, I dont even know what you are talking about.

 

[bapmom]

AHH! Now I see.

Elnora,
If my caps offend you than Im sorry. I am only trying to lend emphasis as if I were speaking the words rather than typing them.

Let me answer your assumption about my being "biased" against inner city kids. I did NOT say that they are heathen because they are living in the inner city. That's what YOU said. Thats just ridiculous. I DID say that they were being raised in a culture of DRUGS and ALCOHOLISM. It is the drugs and alcohol that are doing this to their parents, not the area of the city they live in. Though, if they live in an area where drugs and alcohol are normal than they will see them as normal, too. And MY inner city kids ARE being raised that way. I don't know what kind of kids you are around all the time, I can't speak to that. I can only testify of what I see and hear.

Please understand, I LIVE in the inner city. I don't have a nice house. I don't have two cars. We have one car that God gave us for free, otherwise we'd still be walking. My husband just started his own business, so we have internet for that, otherwise Id not have internet, either.

My church is an inner city church. We have drive-by shootings on our corner several times a year. I work with bus kids each week. I see how they are, I know WHO they are. If I did not look at the reality of their situation than how could I realistically give them what they need?

Now, Elnora, Im not biased, just realistic. I know these kids, I know their names, I know where they live, I know their parents, and I know what their parents are into.

Remember too, it was someone else who first used the word "heathen"....not me. I was actually being kind of "tongue-in-cheek" but you've decided to get hung up on it. THAT is why I say you WANT to be defensive.

And still, if you don't like my caps Im sorry. They are not yelling, they are merely adding emphasis to help avoid misunderstanding.

 

[Elnora]

bapmom,
First for me I do pay atention and yes caps and exclaimations look like well, yelling to me. Second, I tried to briefly explain that I do know and deal with these kids.

My point was the more affluent kids are in just as gross sin as the inner city. But they do have the means to hide it. Because there is a facade of respectability they are often overlooked and all I was saying is they all are lost and need Jesus. No one is more or less heathen.

Here is where I have trouble with all these discussions. I was saved by hearing the good news of Jesus Christ. I was lovingly shown in God's word, why I was a sinner and needed a savior. Who Jesus was, His sacrifice on the cross for me. It was very simple. Reach people with the simple gospel of Jesus Christ.

The Holy Spirit convicts and cleans us up. We cannot take His place. We can fight over the things we like or don't it does nothing to further the gospel of Christ. I have been the legalistic route and it produces nothing but self-righteousness and hypocrisy.

 

[Thankful]

Amen, Elnora.

And further...Yes, caps are yelling on the internet.

 

[Ed Edwards]

Originally posted by Elnora:
bapmom,
First for me I do pay atention and yes caps and exclaimations look like well, yelling to me.

Amen Sister Elnora -- You are /ed yells/ RIGHT-ON!

For all the last 21 years and
three months that i've been on computerized
Bulletin Boards all caps is a form of yelling.
Back before cute little 2K-byte Graemlins,
back before <colon> <end parens> happy faces,
there was the yelling ALL CAPS.

 

[Aaron]

Depending on how all caps are used, it can be yelling, but it isn't all the time.

Please understand, I LIVE in the inner city. I don't have a nice house. I don't have two cars. We have one car that God gave us for free, otherwise we'd still be walking.

There's no yelling in the quote above. "LIVE" is in all caps to add emphasis.

BTW, I live in the inner city too, and our family has only one vehicle, a nine-year-old Dodge Caravan. (Our ten-year-old vehicle was totalled in June, so we upgraded. )

THAT is why I say you WANT to be defensive.

. No hollerin' here either.

WHY CAN'T YOU GUYS GET IT RIGHT???!!!

Now THERE's some hollerin.