Anything good from alcohol?

[Hope of Glory]

Guess what they were doing? Sorting through items brought to the church for a consignment sale tomorrow! A consignment sale in the house of God?

Matthew 21:13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.

So, you're now equating a consignment sale with a den of thieves? When will your slander stop?

I think you might want to do a little study on who he was calling a den of thieves and why. The Jews were required to do certain things; many of them traveling from far away and had no way to bring the sacrifices, or get the required type of money. These people began by offering a legitimate service, such as exchanging money, etc., but then began forcing them to pay exhorbitant amount.

The same thing happens where I live. I literally live at the end of the road. If you get on the highway system in North America and drive until you cannot drive any further, you're here. We have a population of 5,000 and the next city up the road is 70 miles away, and they have a combined population of about 15,000 (3 cities in a 10 mile radiius up there). Stores have the attitude of "Well, where else are you going to buy it?" and they jack up the prices. Thankfully, there is now competition, and those thieves are put out of business.

A consignment sale is generally two people coming to an agreeable price on something for something the other one no longer wants or needs. In Canada, they call it a "boot sale", because they often do so from the boots of their cars. Up here, we call it a yard sale, even if it's inside.

Edit: I meant to add that amaretto was the perfect addition to my baked beans. I think it was better than the Jack Daniels.

 

[Diggin in da Word]

So, you're now equating a consignment sale with a den of thieves? When will your slander stop?

I think you might want to do a little study on who he was calling a den of thieves and why. The Jews were required to do certain things; many of them traveling from far away and had no way to bring the sacrifices, or get the required type of money. These people began by offering a legitimate service, such as exchanging money, etc., but then began forcing them to pay exhorbitant amount.

The same thing happens where I live. I literally live at the end of the road. If you get on the highway system in North America and drive until you cannot drive any further, you're here. We have a population of 5,000 and the next city up the road is 70 miles away, and they have a combined population of about 15,000 (3 cities in a 10 mile radiius up there). Stores have the attitude of "Well, where else are you going to buy it?" and they jack up the prices. Thankfully, there is now competition, and those thieves are put out of business.

A consignment sale is generally two people coming to an agreeable price on something for something the other one no longer wants or needs. In Canada, they call it a "boot sale", because they often do so from the boots of their cars. Up here, we call it a yard sale, even if it's inside.

Edit: I meant to add that amaretto was the perfect addition to my baked beans. I think it was better than the Jack Daniels.

God's House is not a place of worldly business. If you think it can be, you are sadly erring.

 

[reformedbeliever]

Jesus said 'the tree is known by his fruit'. I see no difference than the world when I see people say they can go into bars and drink and witness, they can drink with friends and witness,

What happened to 'Wherefore come out from among them and be ye separate saith the Lord, and I will receive you?

People want to explain away sin this day and age just as Scripture foretold. They call good evil, and evil good.

I stand by the Word of God, you cannot drink of the cup of devils and sit at the table of the Lord.

Again, I see your fruit. I'll just bet you will not appologize to webdog for calling him or her a "so called believer". In any case, grace and peace

 

[Diggin in da Word]

I cannot say I am sorry for speaking that which is the truth.

 

[Lagardo]

God's House is not a place of worldly business. If you think it can be, you are sadly erring.

You think a church building is God's house? Interesting...

 

[Diggin in da Word]

You think a church building is God's house? Interesting...

Matthew 21:13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.

Ain't it interesting? Jesus, the Son of God referred to the place of prayer as God's House? I do believe that place was a building, was it not?

 

[whatever]

Matthew 21:13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.

Ain't it interesting? Jesus, the Son of God referred to the place of prayer as God's House? I do believe that place was a building, was it not?

It was actually the temple, and if anyone on here is having a consignment sale at the temple then maybe they ought to reconsider. But what does this have to do with the OP?

 

[blackbird]

I've never seen anything good or productive come out of the use of alcohol as a beverage

I've seen plenty of bad---plenty

 

[Lagardo]

Matthew 21:13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.

Ain't it interesting? Jesus, the Son of God referred to the place of prayer as God's House? I do believe that place was a building, was it not?

It was a temple...and that is a far cry from our church buildings. But I digress, as Whatever has stated, this has little to do with the OP

 

[JamieinNH]

Understanding that there is no excuse for being drunk, that those allergic to alcohol and all alcoholics should abstain completely, and that alcoholic drinks should not be consumed before the brain is finished developing at around 18-20 years old, I offer the following:

1. alcohol was the only anesthetic available in the Old West for tooth extractions, etc.

2. alcohol was often the only anesthetic available for war field injuries, including necessary amputations. (in both items one and two, please note that the alcohol helped keep the patient from going into shock, which can kill).

3. a cough syrup made of 1/3 honey, 1/3 lemon juice and 1/3 brandy, or vodka or even whiskey is the most effective cough syrup you can get. The honey coats the throat, the lemon juice cuts the mucous and the liquor relaxes the spasming of the cough. One tsp. for a young child, a tbs. for an older child or adult is usually enough.

4. when birds fly into our windows and end up being cat bait, gasping on the ground, a drop of liquor in their beaks will bring them out of shock and enable them to fly away more quickly. (Note: our youngest daughter knew this and did not realize one drop meant one drop. She got some poor bird drunk to the peak and he died in her hands. It was a hard lesson.)

5. alcohol is a muscle relaxer -- which is often why drunk drivers are not injured when others are. That being the negative side, the positive side is that muscle spasms can usually be usually be taken care of by a few ounces of wine and a hot shower -- whether the spasms be from a back injury, false labor, or strained shoulders or wherever.

6. alcohol is a disinfectant and, when nothing else is available, is effective in treating a wound to prevent infection. Because alcohol evaporates so rapidly, however, it is definitely second-best to other disinfectants which will not sting so much.

7. It makes great beef stew!

8. For me, and for others like me with paradoxic drug reactions, it is one of the safest medicines on the market for things like coughs and spasms.

9. I enjoy a glass of wine occasionally with dinner. It is enjoyable.

10. It is a blessing from God, medicinally and personally. Like almost everything else He has given us, though*, its misuse can lead to disasterous consequences.

Very nicely stated post Helen. I am often found your post very to the point and honest.

Jamie

 

[Brother Bob]

I don't know anything good about drinking acohol so I guess I am out of this post. Now if you want to start one on what is bad about acohol then I could contribute to it.
What a sad commentary for Christians.

 

[Ed Edwards]

I don't know anything good about drinking acohol so I guess I am out of this post. Now if you want to start one on what is bad about acohol then I could contribute to it.
What a sad commentary for Christians.

Amen, Brother Brother Bob -- Preach it! :thumbs:

 

[Helen]

If you take a look at the majority of posts, on any subject, on BB, or listen to any conversation anywhere, you will find a disturbingly human tendency to remember and repeat the bad -- and even prefer discussing it -- rather that talk about the good. Paul would not have had to tell us to think about what is pure, right, beautiful, etc., if that were our natural tendency.

So sure, alcohol as a beverage can be devastatingly bad for you. You can become a drunk, an alcoholic, violent, abusive, passed out, etc.

But alcohol as a beverage -- thinking particularly of wine here -- is also a gift from God. Taken in moderate quantities it is relaxing and refreshing. A cold beer on a hot summer day, a hot buttered rum on a cold winter night, a glass of wine at a candlelit dinner -- these are lovely things with no bad associated with them at all except in the minds of some here and others like them. Please note I used 'a', not 'a few' or 'several.' I disagree strongly with the idea of drinking to get high or drunk, or even of drinking regularly, despite the fact that a glass of wine a day (about 4 oz)was prescribed for me to build up my iron count after some debilitating medical treatments when I was in my late twenties. By the way, it worked. And, because I had it medicinally, it no longer tasted good afterwards and it was years before I was willing to even have a glass of wine at dinner after that.

 

[blackbird]

But alcohol as a beverage -- thinking particularly of wine here -- is also a gift from God. Taken in moderate quantities it is relaxing and refreshing. A cold beer on a hot summer day, a hot buttered rum on a cold winter night, a glass of wine at a candlelit dinner -- these are lovely things with no bad associated with them at all except in the minds of some here and others like them. Please note I used 'a', not 'a few' or 'several.' I disagree strongly with the idea of drinking to get high or drunk, or even of drinking regularly, despite the fact that a glass of wine a day (about 4 oz)was prescribed for me to build up my iron count after some debilitating medical treatments when I was in my late twenties. By the way, it worked. And, because I had it medicinally, it no longer tasted good afterwards and it was years before I was willing to even have a glass of wine at dinner after that.

#1--alcohol is not a beverage----it is a toxic chemical---like salt is not a beverage but is a chemical---and do show us exactly where the Bible says that alcohol is a gift from God----notice, dear Sister, I didn't say show us where wine is a gift---that's a "gimmie" there, Sister Helen---just show us from God's word where alcohol is a gift from God.

#2--cold water on a hot summer day for this boy

#3--hot chocolate on a cold winter nite

#4---Ice tea for dinner

But for the most part---show me overwelming evidence that alcohol as a beverage is a gift from God

 

[Diggin in da Word]

#1--alcohol is not a beverage----it is a toxic chemical---like salt is not a beverage but is a chemical---and do show us exactly where the Bible says that alcohol is a gift from God----notice, dear Sister, I didn't say show us where wine is a gift---that's a "gimmie" there, Sister Helen---just show us from God's word where alcohol is a gift from God.

#2--cold water on a hot summer day for this boy

#3--hot chocolate on a cold winter nite

#4---Ice tea for dinner

But for the most part---show me overwelming evidence that alcohol as a beverage is a gift from God

Brother David,

I already looked, and it ain't there. Unless it is in one of them thar new-fangled versions that quote the 3rd chapter of 2nd Sedative that states something to the effect of 'See, here is something to calm your nerves. I have allowed the grape to ferment for your good pleasure.'

But I ain't sure that is right either.

 

[whatever]

But for the most part---show me overwelming evidence that alcohol as a beverage is a gift from God

I predict a negative reaction.

1Tim. 4:1-5 - "Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, for it is made holy by the word of God and prayer."

 

[Diggin in da Word]

First of all, the version you quote is watered down.

Second, alcohol is not a food, whether received or not.

1 Timothy 4:1-4 KJV 1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

Notice it says every creature, not every thing. Everything could include poison, evil,... anything

The passage is specifically about food, not everything else.

 

[reformedbeliever]

#1--alcohol is not a beverage----it is a toxic chemical---like salt is not a beverage but is a chemical---and do show us exactly where the Bible says that alcohol is a gift from God----notice, dear Sister, I didn't say show us where wine is a gift---that's a "gimmie" there, Sister Helen---just show us from God's word where alcohol is a gift from God.

#2--cold water on a hot summer day for this boy

#3--hot chocolate on a cold winter nite

#4---Ice tea for dinner

But for the most part---show me overwelming evidence that alcohol as a beverage is a gift from God

#1. Cola is not a beverage, it is a toxic chemical.
#2. Cold tea on a hot summer day for this boy... and you better do exactly like me.
#3. Hot tea for me on a cold winter night... and see above #2.
#4. Ice water for dinner... because caffene is a toxic chemical... and you better do as I Blackbird or you may be a horrible sinner.

Helen, I belive you are free and do not have to be shamed by anyone who claiming to be Christian, is judging you on what you eat or drink or..... Grace and peace. Is it ok to disagree with a moderator?:laugh:

 

[gb93433]

In the Southern Baptist convention, a pastor may not enjoy a glass of wine... God forbid! Grace and peace

I always thought SBC churches were always autonomous.

 

[gb93433]

#2. Cold tea on a hot summer day for this boy... and you better do exactly like me.
#3. Hot tea for me on a cold winter night... and see above #2.
#4. Ice water for dinner... because caffene is a toxic chemical... and you better do as I Blackbird or you may be a horrible sinner.

Finney would have shamed you for drinking tea.