Apostolic Uniqueness ....Guided into All Truth

[Iconoclast]

Iconoclast,

I will get this back on track so I will add to my original posts to clarify

Here is what I see plainly taught;

25 These things have I spoken unto you, [The Apostles}

being yet present with you.{The Apostles]

We were not there. Only The Apostles were. Jesus had concluded His public ministry and was now speaking with the Apostles.
This thread is dealing with the topic of the Apostles and why they were unique and given promises and gifts that we do not receive.

This thread was never questioning the truth of God allowing believers to welcome truth, and grow in grace. That is obviously why we are given the Spirit of God.

That being said, there is no verse I know of that promises we are going to receive all truth as in special revelation as the Apostles were. There should not be any confusion on this.
There is no verse saying we the church are going to be "guided into ALL TRUTH".

Any "truth "we come to, is given by God . that is not the issue here at all.

There is something that makes the Apostles different from us.
All believers have the Spirit of God. Not all believers are Apostles.

There were signs of an Apostle;
12 Truly the signs of an apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds.


26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name,

he shall teach you all things,[The Apostles]

and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
[ you the Apostles]

Jesus cannot bring to our remembrance what we did not hear Him teach when he was here on Earth.

Does the Spirit allow believers to welcome the truth of scripture? yes
Does the Spirit help us remember things, yes

However that is not what was being taught in Jn14, 15, 16.

Jn.15
26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

This is addressed to the Apostles;
mk 3:14
14 And he ordained twelve, that they should be with him, and that he might send them forth to preach,

jn16;
4 But these things have I told you, that when the time shall come, ye may remember that I told you of them. And these things I said not unto you at the beginning, because I was with you.

Again, THE APOSTLES...

jn16;
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

Jesus is clear that He has many additional truths to teach to the Apostles, but they could not welcome these things until the Spirit allowed them to.
This is not spoken to the church, but the Apostles. He was speaking and teaching THEM audibly.


13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth:for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

This again is spoken directly to the Apostles, not everyone.
We can learn things based on what they wrote, but not one of us, is "guided into all truth".
We can learn truth from what they wrote, yes. But we are not promised to be guided into ALL TRUTH as they were.

Every false teacher pulls verse 13 out of the gospel of jn and adds 1jn 2:27 to explain why they are guided into all truth...NOT

 

[agedman]

Agedman
I have never said that believers are not able to welcome truth by the Ministry of the Spirit. Not once have I denied the ministry of the Spirit as 1 cor 2 is clear.

What I have posted is the promises were unique to the Apostles when after Jn 13 concluded Jesus public ministry. the promises of John 14, 15, 16 were to those who heard him with whom he promised the Spirit would
1] guide them into all truth, that is how we have a completed canon.

2] bring to their remembrance things they saw and heard having been with him from the beginning

3] show them...things to come

4] they could not bear all He had been teaching them, but He promised the Spirit would help them in particular.

We were not there, we did not audibly hear Jesus...they did.

But again, all that is contained in the NT is not written by folks who audibly heard Him, munch less saw Him.

I just don’t know how solid the view is as it relates to the cannon.

Now, IF your statement is that the cannon closed with the death of the last Apostle (John) then their would be agreement.

For it is true that certainly the Apostles could validate the writing of others. This is seen by Peter acknowledging Paul’s writing, admitting it was difficult to understand, but nevertheless truth. No validation was or is found of the writings of Apollos, or Barnabas, Timothy, ...

Following the death of John the absence of Apostle validation would by their absence close the cannon.

Perhaps, the emphasis needs to be shifted from the Work of the Holy Spirit, to the aspect of Apostle validation?