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Appointed To Eternal Life?
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Silverhair
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So you will hold to your errant theory rather than trust what the clear text says.
So tell me again who is the one that perverts the word of truth.
You can keep your head in the sand but your denial does not change the truth.
Brightfame52
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You pervert the word of truth with your conditions,, you just as bad as another poster who corrupts the word of God. Belief of the Truth/Faith is the result of Salvation, the sanctifying work of the Spirit 2 Thess 2:13
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
Once again, this poster addresses me and runs from the topic, the meaning of "tasso" in every usage in scripture.
What does Acts 13:48 say?
Act 13:48
When the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and all who had been appointed to eternal life believed.
The Greek word, translated as "appointed" is "tasso" (G5021). The word appears in eight verses and is always used to indicate people accepting direction or an arrangement, rather than an unilateral placement.
Calvinists beat this dead horse incessantly, because they actually do not know what the word means in context.
In Matthew 28:16 the disciples chose to follow Christ's direction and went to the place "designated" (tasso) by Jesus.
In Luke 7:8 soldiers choose to follow the directions of their superior.
In Acts 15:2 Paul and others agree to take the direction to go to Jerusalem.
In Acts 22:10 Paul is told to go to Damascus where he will be told what is designated for him to do.
In Acts 28:23, A day is designated for Paul to preach and Paul follows that direction.
In Romans 13:1, governments are designated or arranged by God.
And in 1 Corinthians 15:16 people devoted (committed) themselves to ministry.
So the word is actually used in every case to indicate an arrangement by mutual agreement, not an unilateral action.
Therefore the actual message of Acts 13:48 is all those who accepted Paul's direction to eternal life believed. This is not rocket science.
Calvinism is built on mis-interpreting vague verses in order to pour man-made doctrine into the text.
Among these are 1 Corinthians 2:14, Romans 3:11, Ephesians 1:4,and Acts 13:48.
Silverhair
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You continue to deny the clear word of God so you can hold to your beloved philosophy.
I understand that you think you are holding to the truth but when you ignore clear scripture that proves it is not the truth you want but just agreement with your errant views.
Even the verse you quote proves your view is wrong.
Brightfame52
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I showed you what it means, but you have corrupted the word of God incessantly
Brightfame52
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You pervert the word of truth with your conditions,, you just as bad as another poster who corrupts the word of God. Belief of the Truth/Faith is the result of Salvation, the sanctifying work of the Spirit 2 Thess 2:13
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
David Lamb
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Sorry, but how does this verse from 2 Thessalonians prove that Brightfame52's view (which also is my view) is wrong?:
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth
Silverhair
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See Post Appointed To Eternal Life?
God chose them because the believed, that is a condition.
Care to give your reasons as to why you think it is not a condition.
Brightfame52
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You been given a reason, believing is the result of the sanctifying work of the Spirit 2 Thess 2:13
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
Its a result not a condition.
So the ones who believed in Acts 13:48 were #1 Chosen to salvation and sanctified by the Spirit. Thats why Paul is Thanking God alway !
However you hijack the fruit of the Spirits work, and make it a condition man fulfilled to get saved, thats evil.
Silverhair
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BF God has set the condition of salvation, faith in His son. You can deny this all you want but it will not change the truth of scripture.
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes,
Act 16:31 ... "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved,...
Gal 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith;...
If one does not believe then one is not saved. Faith/belief is a condition BF whether you want to admit this or not.
Since by your view there is no condition for salvation and God desires all to be saved then all will be saved thus you are supporting universalism.
1Ti 2:3 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
1Ti 2:4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
But since we know that all are not saved we are left with a few options;
1] God really did not mean what He said [He lied]
2] God is not powerful enough to save all [Satan more powerful]
3] God has set a condition for salvation [faith in His son]
So which option do you choose BF?
David Lamb
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Well, we have Ephesians saying:
“just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love,” (Eph 1:4 NKJV)
Ephesians 2 talks quite clearly ab0out God making sinners alive who were dead in trespasses and sins, not waiting for dead sinners to believe and then making them alive.
Psalm 115:3. 'But our God reigns in heaven; He has done whatever pleases Him. If God desired every single person whoever lived to be saved, then that is what they would be. If God set a condition for salvation, that means that He did not desire every single person to be saved.
So we have to look at what 'all' means in the context of 1 Tim 2:4. Let's look at verse 1:
'Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions and giving of thanks be made for all men.'
There are about 9 billion people living at the present time. How long will it take you to pray for every single one of them? Obviously, it does not mean that. It means that the church in Ephesus should be praying, not just for the saved, but for the lost; not just for the wise, but for the foolish; not just for Jews, but for Gentiles, not just for the poor, but for the rich; not just for ordinary people, but for rulers; and so on.
In just the same way, God desires all manner of people to be saved, Jews, Gentiles, rich, poor, ruled and rulers. The evangelical Countess of Huntingdon used to say that she was saved by the letter 'M.' 1 Cor. 1:27 says 'not many noble are called.' If Paul had written 'Not any noble are called,' she would have been lost. She was not being altogether serious, but she was correct. 'Not many [wise, mighty, noble] are called.' Paul does not say, 'Not many ...... believe.' There is a call that goes out to everyone (Mark 1:15 etc.), but there is also a particular call (Luke 5:27-28). God will save all that He has purposed to save, and He will also save all who trust in Christ for salvation. The two groups are the same.
37818
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Virtually every English translation mistranslates the plural in the singler as "having done."
for* the children were not yet born, nor had practiced anything good or evil, in-order-that the purpose of God according-to his choice might abide, not from works, but from the one who is calling.
As usual, what's your point? How does this change 'elected before being born'?
Silverhair
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Martin I do expect better from you. But as that is the only argument you seem to have I can see why to trot it out again. Your strawman argument that I would have to name each individual is silly on the face of it.
So what do we see in;
1Ti 2:3 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
1Ti 2:4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Something is good and acceptable in God's eyes and what would that be? That all men be saved through knowledge of the truth.
Why do you try to limit God? Do you not pray that all would come to salvation? I do. Even though many will reject God and spend eternity in hell that does not stop me from praying that they would turn and trust in Him for their salvation.
Silverhair
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If you would learn to read things in context that would improve your understanding of scripture.
No one is in Christ unless they are saved, are you suggesting that people were saved prior to creation?
Paul told us how one comes to be in Christ just a few verses later;
Eph 1:13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,
I agree that only God can make a lost sinner alive as we see in;
Eph 2:5 even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),
and again in;
Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
Those that hear the gospel message and believe that message {Eph 1:13} are the ones that are made alive with Christ.
When you keep pulling verses out of context you are acting just like the JW's and the cults.
Silverhair
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Brightfame52
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Brightfame52
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@Silverhair
Of course, for they were made alive first so that they were given living ears to hear the message, do you think dead folk hear ? Duh
Of course, for they were made alive first so that they were given living ears to hear the message, do you think dead folk hear ? Duh