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Appointed To Eternal Life?

Silverhair

Silverhair

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Martin Marprelate said:
:rolleyes: Psalm 115:3. 'But our God is in heaven; He does whatever pleases Him.
If God desires every single person in the world whoever lived to be saved, that is what would happen. That you continue to miss this is quite surprising. It seems to be more that you do not want to accept it than that you do not see it. Ignoring the truth does not make it go away Silverhair. Although you do seem to be quite adept at doing just that.
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You are quite adept at ignoring clear text that does not fit your theology. But I have come to expect that from some of a particular theological persuasion.

I do agree that God does as He pleases and His desire is that all should be saved {John 3:17} but as we see in scripture He will not force anyone to be saved. {John 3:18}

But He has provided the way for people to be saved, faith in Him. {John 3:14-16}

Those that hear and believe will be saved {Ephesians 1:13 & Romans 10:9-10}
 
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Martin Marprelate

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Silverhair said:
I do agree that God does as He pleases and His desire is that all should be saved {John 3:17} but as we see in scripture He will not force anyone to be saved. {John 3:18}
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You are quite adept at ignoring clear text that does not fit your theology. But I have come to expect that from some of a particular theological persuasion.
God does not force anyone to act against his or her will, but He changes it so that His people come to Him freely, Psalm 110:3 Acts 16:14. He takes away the hard, stony heart and replaces it with a malleable heart of flesh, Ezekiel 36:26. He gives new life to those dead in trespasses and sins, Ezekiel 37:9; Eph. 2:1-10. All these are acts of pure monergism; 'For it is God who works in you to do and to will of His good pleasure' (Phil. 2:13).
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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Martin Marprelate said:
You are quite adept at ignoring clear text that does not fit your theology. But I have come to expect that from some of a particular theological persuasion.
God does not force anyone to act against his or her will, but He changes it so that His people come to Him freely, Psalm 110:3 Acts 16:14. He takes away the hard, stony heart and replaces it with a malleable heart of flesh, Ezekiel 36:26. He gives new life to those dead in trespasses and sins, Ezekiel 37:9; Eph. 2:1-10. All these are acts of pure monergism; 'For it is God who works in you to do and to will of His good pleasure' (Phil. 2:13).
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They come freely through faith, which is a condition.
2Sa 22:31 "As for God, His way is blameless; The word of the LORD is tested; He is a shield to all who take refuge in Him.
Eph 3:11 according to the eternal purpose which He accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord,
Eph 3:12 in whom we have boldness and access with confidence through faith in Him.
Isa 45:22 "Turn to Me and be saved, all the ends of the earth; For I am God, and there is no other.

Salvation is conditional upon faith in the risen Christ. Even you showed this in you quoted text.
Eph 2:5 even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),

Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
Eph 2:9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Only God can save and He has chosen to save those that turn to Him in faith.

But according to calvinism God has to cause them to come via an irresistible force. So all you have done is show that your calvinist TULIP is wrong.

Under your calvinist view only those that are included in the Unconditional Election that will partake of the Limited Atonement will then be drawn to God by His Irresistible Grace. So all men do not have an equal chance to know or trust in God. Your own theology precludes this, but you it seems do not want to acknowledge that fact.
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
now if you make anything a condition, man must do to get saved, its an accursed gospel of works. Salvation is not of works, thats simple bible truth
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I agree salvation is not of works. Faith is not a work but it is a condition of salvation. No faith no salvation.

The reason God can declare ungodly sinners to be righteous is because the Lord Jesus Christ has fully paid the debt of their sins by His death and resurrection. When sinners accept Christ by faith, they are justified.

Rom 3:21 But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
Rom 3:22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction;
Rom 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Rom 3:24 being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus;
Rom 3:25 whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed;
Rom 3:26 for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
@Silverhair



False gospel of works
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I am not saved by works but by placing my faith in the risen Savior and expecting to be saved “by grace through faith”.

Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith;...

When we turn to God in faith He is gracious to save.

Rom 10:13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."

Since He does not call faith a work why do you do so? Do you think God got it wrong?

That would be quite arrogant of you BF.
 
David Lamb

David Lamb

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Silverhair said:
I am not saved by works but by placing my faith in the risen Savior and expecting to be saved “by grace through faith”.

Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith;...

When we turn to God in faith He is gracious to save.

Rom 10:13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."

Since He does not call faith a work why do you do so? Do you think God got it wrong?

That would be quite arrogant of you BF.
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No, biblical faith is not a work. It's a gift:

“For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.” (Eph 2:8-10 NKJV)

But if we make faith something which we sinners produce by our own efforts, we are turning faith into a work.
 
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Van

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Martin Marprelate said:
OK. Acts 13:48. 'When the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and all who had been designated to eternal life believed.' It doesn't change the meaning of the sentence. Also, the word 'chose' appears nowhere in Matthew 28:16. You have written it in.

Neither the word 'choose' nor the word 'directions' appear anywhere in Luke 7:8; you have written them in, but OK. Acts 13:48. 'When the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and all who had been directed to eternal life believed.'

Neither the word 'agree' nor the wor 'direction' appear anywhere in Acts 15:2; you have written them in, but OK. 'When the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and all who had been directed to eternal life believed.'

Acts 22:10. '....."Arise and go into Damascus and there you will be told all things which are appointed for you to do.' But OK. Acts 13:48. When the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and all who had been designated to eternal life believed.

The words 'preach' and 'follows' appear nowhere in Acts 28:23. Acts 28:23. 'So when they had 'appointed him a day......' But OK Acts 13:48. 'When the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and all who had been directed to eternal life believed. '

Romans 13:1. '.........The authorities that exist are appointed by God.' But OK. Acts 13:48. When the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and all who had been designated or arranged to eternal life believed.

You have chosen the wrong verse. 1 Cor, 15:16. 'For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen.

It does nothing of the sort despite your attempts to write it in. None of them mention an arrangement by mutual agreement.

Acts 13:48 does not mention anyone accepting anything; nor does it mention Paul or his direction. The verse says that all those who were appointed, designated or directed to eternal life believed.

On the contrary, you have utterly corrupted all the texts you have produced to fit your man-made doctrine. All those texts are perfectly clear.
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I am sorry, Sir, that you spent so much time addressing, to be generous, misconceptions.

When we make an appointment with our doctor, we receive direction, i.e. the Doctor could see you at 10:15 next Tuesday. We can "choose" to accept that time period, i.e. make an appointment by mutual agreement, or choose not to accept the arrangement. So making a choice is integral with the meaning of "tasso." Thus my interpretation of Matthew 28:16 is spot on.

Also, I did not say all who had been directed to eternal life believed, I said all those who had accepted Paul's direction believed. Please address what I said, rather than make up a flawed version and rail against it.
 
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