Appointed To Eternal Life?

[Nolan Stengel]

The election of God and the free will of man are divine mysteries, truths we cannot reconcile in our finite minds. Though God is sovereign and He has elected that we should be in Christ before the foundation of the earth, God has also ordained for us to exercise the free choice He has given us.

This remains a mystery, unsolved by the theologians all through the centuries. Men line up on one side and men line up on the other, but both sides are correct. That's why the argument has never been resolved. God is sovereign; and "as many as were appointed or ordained to eternal life believed." But their belief was always a matter of choice.

- Pastor Chuck Smith

 

[Silverhair]

Yes to the saved. Not to them who are perishing. To them its foolishness 1 Cor 1:18

18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

The shame is that you actually think you are saying the truth.

 

[Silverhair]

Yes to the saved. Not to them who are perishing. To them its foolishness 1 Cor 1:18

18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

Did you actually read the post?
Rom 10:13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."
Rom 10:14 How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher?

It does not say those that are already saved will call on the Lord as you seem to think.

You need to get your head out of that calvinist bubble BF.

 

[Brightfame52]

The election of God and the free will of man are divine mysteries, truths we cannot reconcile in our finite minds. Though God is sovereign and He has elected that we should be in Christ before the foundation of the earth, God has also ordained for us to exercise the free choice He has given us.

This remains a mystery, unsolved by the theologians all through the centuries. Men line up on one side and men line up on the other, but both sides are correct. That's why the argument has never been resolved. God is sovereign; and "as many as were appointed or ordained to eternal life believed." But their belief was always a matter of choice.

- Pastor Chuck Smith

False teaching

 

[Brightfame52]

The shame is that you actually think you are saying the truth.

1 Cor 1:18

18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

 

[Brightfame52]

Did you actually read the post?
Rom 10:13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."
Rom 10:14 How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher?

It does not say those that are already saved will call on the Lord as you seem to think.

You need to get your head out of that calvinist bubble BF.

1 Cor 1:18

18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

 

[Silverhair]

1 Cor 1:18

18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

I see you are back to your usual style, repeating the same thing over and over and hoping the results will be different?

Scripture shows your view is wrong but your still cling to your errant view.

 

[David Lamb]

I see you are back to your usual style, repeating the same thing over and over and hoping the results will be different?

Scripture shows your view is wrong but your still cling to your errant view.

Well, I have just looked back at your previous post (363). You quoted Romans 10:13-14:

“For "whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved." How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher?” (Ro 10:13-14 NKJV)

Then I looked at Brightfame52's reply, Post 366, where 1 Corinthians 1:18 was quoted:

“For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.” (1Co 1:18 NKJV)

The point surely is that yes, whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved, but those who don't call on the name of the Lord are perishing, because to them, the gospel, the "message of the cross," is foolishness. Are you accusing Paul of holding an errant view? You seem to be doing so.

 

[Brightfame52]

I see you are back to your usual style, repeating the same thing over and over and hoping the results will be different?

Scripture shows your view is wrong but your still cling to your errant view.

1 Cor 1:18

18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

 

[Nolan Stengel]

False teaching

Who taught it correctly? John Calvin? Give me a break.

 

[David Lamb]

Who taught it correctly? John Calvin? Give me a break.

I am sure Brightfame52 can speak for himself, but it was you who quoted Chuck Smith. As far as I am aware, Brightfame52 has not quoted John Calvin, only the bible.

 

[Nolan Stengel]

I am sure Brightfame52 can speak for himself, but it was you who quoted Chuck Smith. As far as I am aware, Brightfame52 has not quoted John Calvin, only the bible.

He hasn’t quoted anyone. That’s why the question was asked.

 

[Brightfame52]

Who taught it correctly? John Calvin? Give me a break.

The scriptures, but do you believe them ?

 

[Nolan Stengel]

The scriptures, but do you believe them ?

Of course I do, maybe not in the same way that you believe them.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Who taught it correctly? John Calvin? Give me a break.

Just a suggestion, you might want to ignore those who are intent on fomenting arguments regarding scriptural interpretations and dogmatic positions…bottom line, there is an ignore feature you could use if & when necessary.

Be well & welcome to the board.

 

[Brightfame52]

Of course I do, maybe not in the same way that you believe them.

You dont believe them if you dont believe the points TULIP make aren't part of the Gospel of Grace.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

1Ti 2:3 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
1Ti 2:4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

That is God's desire so we have two options

1] God can't actually accomplish what He wants
2] God has set a condition for man to be saved

Since we know that God being sovereign can do as He pleases that eliminates option 1

So we are left with option 2
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes,

So Martins comment of "He just can't seem to manage it. Poor God!" was disingenuous.

It is not in the least disingenuous. If God has set a condition for man to be saved, He does not desire all men to be saved, otherwise He wouldn't do it, would He? @David Lamb has it right.

“"All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.” (Joh 6:37 NKJV)

God will accomplish all His desire
But coming back to 1 Tim. 2, we need to look at the first two verses: 'Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions and giving of thanks be given For all men, for kings and all who are in authority..........' As I've pointed out before, the context demands that the 'all' here means all kinds and ranks of men, not just for the poor but for the rich and powerful. Why? Because God desires men of all kinds and ranks to come to salvation. '.....Not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble are called,' but some of each are, and therefore God will have them prayed for, partly so that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life, but also that all kinds of men will be saved. God does not need our prayers to save people, but it is His desire that we should pray.