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Appointed To Eternal Life?

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The election of God and the free will of man are divine mysteries, truths we cannot reconcile in our finite minds. Though God is sovereign and He has elected that we should be in Christ before the foundation of the earth, God has also ordained for us to exercise the free choice He has given us.

This remains a mystery, unsolved by the theologians all through the centuries. Men line up on one side and men line up on the other, but both sides are correct. That's why the argument has never been resolved. God is sovereign; and "as many as were appointed or ordained to eternal life believed." But their belief was always a matter of choice.

- Pastor Chuck Smith
 

Silverhair

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Yes to the saved. Not to them who are perishing. To them its foolishness 1 Cor 1:18

18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

The shame is that you actually think you are saying the truth.
 

Silverhair

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Yes to the saved. Not to them who are perishing. To them its foolishness 1 Cor 1:18

18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

Did you actually read the post?
Rom 10:13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."
Rom 10:14 How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher?

It does not say those that are already saved will call on the Lord as you seem to think.

You need to get your head out of that calvinist bubble BF.
 

Brightfame52

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The election of God and the free will of man are divine mysteries, truths we cannot reconcile in our finite minds. Though God is sovereign and He has elected that we should be in Christ before the foundation of the earth, God has also ordained for us to exercise the free choice He has given us.

This remains a mystery, unsolved by the theologians all through the centuries. Men line up on one side and men line up on the other, but both sides are correct. That's why the argument has never been resolved. God is sovereign; and "as many as were appointed or ordained to eternal life believed." But their belief was always a matter of choice.

- Pastor Chuck Smith
False teaching
 

Brightfame52

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Did you actually read the post?
Rom 10:13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."
Rom 10:14 How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher?

It does not say those that are already saved will call on the Lord as you seem to think.

You need to get your head out of that calvinist bubble BF.
1 Cor 1:18

18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
 

Silverhair

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1 Cor 1:18

18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

I see you are back to your usual style, repeating the same thing over and over and hoping the results will be different?

Scripture shows your view is wrong but your still cling to your errant view.
 

David Lamb

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I see you are back to your usual style, repeating the same thing over and over and hoping the results will be different?

Scripture shows your view is wrong but your still cling to your errant view.
Well, I have just looked back at your previous post (363). You quoted Romans 10:13-14:

“For "whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved." How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher?” (Ro 10:13-14 NKJV)

Then I looked at Brightfame52's reply, Post 366, where 1 Corinthians 1:18 was quoted:

“For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.” (1Co 1:18 NKJV)

The point surely is that yes, whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved, but those who don't call on the name of the Lord are perishing, because to them, the gospel, the "message of the cross," is foolishness. Are you accusing Paul of holding an errant view? You seem to be doing so.
 
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Brightfame52

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I see you are back to your usual style, repeating the same thing over and over and hoping the results will be different?

Scripture shows your view is wrong but your still cling to your errant view.
1 Cor 1:18

18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
 

Martin Marprelate

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1Ti 2:3 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
1Ti 2:4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

That is God's desire so we have two options

1] God can't actually accomplish what He wants
2] God has set a condition for man to be saved

Since we know that God being sovereign can do as He pleases that eliminates option 1

So we are left with option 2
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes,

So Martins comment of "He just can't seem to manage it. Poor God!" was disingenuous.
It is not in the least disingenuous. If God has set a condition for man to be saved, He does not desire all men to be saved, otherwise He wouldn't do it, would He? @David Lamb has it right.
“"All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.” (Joh 6:37 NKJV)
God will accomplish all His desire
But coming back to 1 Tim. 2, we need to look at the first two verses: 'Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions and giving of thanks be given For all men, for kings and all who are in authority..........' As I've pointed out before, the context demands that the 'all' here means all kinds and ranks of men, not just for the poor but for the rich and powerful. Why? Because God desires men of all kinds and ranks to come to salvation. '.....Not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble are called,' but some of each are, and therefore God will have them prayed for, partly so that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life, but also that all kinds of men will be saved. God does not need our prayers to save people, but it is His desire that we should pray.
 

Silverhair

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It is not in the least disingenuous. If God has set a condition for man to be saved, He does not desire all men to be saved, otherwise He wouldn't do it, would He? @David Lamb has it right.
As far as you understand scripture you think @David Lamb is correct. Problem is that God has set a condition FAITH in Him.
I do find it odd that you will deny clear scripture.
1Ti 2:3 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
1Ti 2:4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Rom 5:1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
Rom 5:2 through whom also we have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand; and we exult in hope of the glory of God.

Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
Eph 2:9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

So both you and David have missed the boat on this.
God will accomplish all His desire
But coming back to 1 Tim. 2, we need to look at the first two verses: 'Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions and giving of thanks be given For all men, for kings and all who are in authority..........' As I've pointed out before, the context demands that the 'all' here means all kinds and ranks of men, not just for the poor but for the rich and powerful. Why? Because God desires men of all kinds and ranks to come to salvation. '.....Not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble are called,' but some of each are, and therefore God will have them prayed for, partly so that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life, but also that all kinds of men will be saved. God does not need our prayers to save people, but it is His desire that we should pray.

Actually that is where your error comes from Martin, you do not look at the context.
So it seems you hold to the universalist view by your comment "God will accomplish all His desire" But since I doubt you actually do then logically your view is wrong.

First of all, then, I urge that entreaties and prayers, petitions and thanksgivings, be made on behalf of all men, for kings and all who are in authority, so that we may lead a tranquil and quiet life in all godliness and dignity. The context demands just what it says. Prayers are to be made for all to come to repentance not just selected groups. Pointing out Kings and those in authority does not negate the requirement to pray for all men.

Why because God our Savior desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For this reason Christ Jesus gave Himself as a ransom for all. We have seen this view stated before Joh 3:17 "For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. And as Christ Himself said Joh 12:32 "And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself."

So we see God's desire is for all to be saved and Christ will draw all men and He was the ransom for all then it shows that your view of limiting whom God desires to save is wrong. This I have pointed out to you before.
 

Silverhair

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@Silverhair



False witnessing, God has done no such thing

So you think someone who has no faith is saved. So if that view is correct why preach the gospel message? Why would Christ say this "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." Joh 3:18 or Paul write this "that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved". Rom 10:9 And this must not be true according to your view "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek." Rom 1:16
We also have these if you care to read them
John _1:11-12, Romans 3:21-26, Romans 1:16, Galatians 3:26
there are more but by now you should get the picture. Faith in His son is the condition for ones salvation.

But I am sure you will just copy paste your usual non answer.
 
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