Brightfame52
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Whenever you impose a condition, it is a false accursed gospel.
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Appointed To Eternal Life?
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Silverhair
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So you do not agree with scripture that shows faith comes before salvation, no faith no salvation. That BF is a condition.
You can argue all you want but it will not change the truth. Faith in His son is the condition for ones salvation.
Brightfame52
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This is what I agree with, that imposing a condition to get saved is a false accursed gospel.
What does Acts 13:48 say?
Act 13:48
When the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and all who had been appointed to eternal life believed.
The Greek word, translated as "appointed" is "tasso" (G5021). The word appears in eight verses and is always used to indicate people accepting direction or an arrangement, rather than an unilateral placement.
Calvinists beat this dead horse incessantly, because they actually do not know what the word means in context.
In Matthew 28:16 the disciples chose to follow Christ's direction and went to the place "designated" (tasso) by Jesus.
In Luke 7:8 soldiers choose to follow the directions of their superior.
In Acts 15:2 Paul and others agree to take the direction to go to Jerusalem.
In Acts 22:10 Paul is told to go to Damascus where he will be told what is designated for him to do.
In Acts 28:23, A day is designated for Paul to preach and Paul follows that direction.
In Romans 13:1, governments are designated or arranged by God.
And in 1 Corinthians 15:16 people devoted (committed) themselves to ministry.
So the word is actually used in every case to indicate an arrangement by mutual agreement, not an unilateral action.
Therefore the actual message of Acts 13:48 is all those who accepted Paul's direction to eternal life believed. This is not rocket science.
Calvinism is built on mis-interpreting vague verses in order to pour man-made doctrine into the text.
Among these are 1 Corinthians 2:14, Romans 3:11, Ephesians 1:4,and Acts 13:48.
Act 13:48
When the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and all who had been appointed to eternal life believed.
The Greek word, translated as "appointed" is "tasso" (G5021). The word appears in eight verses and is always used to indicate people accepting direction or an arrangement, rather than an unilateral placement.
Calvinists beat this dead horse incessantly, because they actually do not know what the word means in context.
In Matthew 28:16 the disciples chose to follow Christ's direction and went to the place "designated" (tasso) by Jesus.
In Luke 7:8 soldiers choose to follow the directions of their superior.
In Acts 15:2 Paul and others agree to take the direction to go to Jerusalem.
In Acts 22:10 Paul is told to go to Damascus where he will be told what is designated for him to do.
In Acts 28:23, A day is designated for Paul to preach and Paul follows that direction.
In Romans 13:1, governments are designated or arranged by God.
And in 1 Corinthians 15:16 people devoted (committed) themselves to ministry.
So the word is actually used in every case to indicate an arrangement by mutual agreement, not an unilateral action.
Therefore the actual message of Acts 13:48 is all those who accepted Paul's direction to eternal life believed. This is not rocket science.
Calvinism is built on mis-interpreting vague verses in order to pour man-made doctrine into the text.
Among these are 1 Corinthians 2:14, Romans 3:11, Ephesians 1:4,and Acts 13:48.
What is the gospel's direction to eternal life? Believe in the "name" of Jesus!
What does the Greek word, translated "name" actually mean?
From an Internet Lexicon:
Onoma (G3686) is used in the N. T. of all those things which, in hearing or recalling that name, we are bidden to recognize in Jesus and to profess; accordingly, of "his Messianic dignity, divine authority, memorable sufferings, in a word the peculiar services and blessings conferred by him on men," so far forth as these are believed, confessed, commemorated
Jesus is God with us, and the Anointed One, thus our Lord and Savior.
What does the Greek word, translated "name" actually mean?
From an Internet Lexicon:
Onoma (G3686) is used in the N. T. of all those things which, in hearing or recalling that name, we are bidden to recognize in Jesus and to profess; accordingly, of "his Messianic dignity, divine authority, memorable sufferings, in a word the peculiar services and blessings conferred by him on men," so far forth as these are believed, confessed, commemorated
Jesus is God with us, and the Anointed One, thus our Lord and Savior.
Brightfame52
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Silverhair
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BF it is not me that you are having a problem with it is scripture.
How clear does the Holy Spirit have to have made it that there is a condition for one's salvation, FAITH.
Act 16:30 and after he brought them out, he said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?"
Act 16:31 They said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household."
To call something accursed that God has put in place is a dangerous thing to be doing.
The Democrats falsely charge their opponents with the malfeasance of the Democrats. Advocates of the corruption of Acts 13:48 claim those presenting it accurately with corrupting it.
The gospel, as presented by Paul, provided direction to eternal life. Some of the Jews rejected that direction, verse 46, and some of the Gentiles accepted that direction and believed, put their faith in the "name" of Jesus.
Brightfame52
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Nothing about conditions to get saved there, now if you make anything a condition, man must do to get saved, its an accursed gospel of works
Advocates of the corruption of Acts 13:48 claim those presenting it accurately with corrupting it.
The gospel, as presented by Paul, provided direction to eternal life. Some of the Jews rejected that direction, verse 46, and some of the Gentiles accepted that direction and believed, put their faith in the "name" of Jesus.
The gospel, as presented by Paul, provided direction to eternal life. Some of the Jews rejected that direction, verse 46, and some of the Gentiles accepted that direction and believed, put their faith in the "name" of Jesus.
I'm not sure what boat you think we have missed. By correctly referencing faith as a condition of salvation, you are acknowledging, willy-nilly, that God does not desire all men to be saved.
My son is just completing his examinations to become a medical doctor. Passing the exams is a condition for qualifying. The reason there are exams is that nobody wants to be treated by a doctor who doesn't know what he's doing. So the training hospital sets the condition of passing the exams so that not just anybody can become a doctor. They don't want everybody to qualify.
Brightfame52
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God’s plan included all of these things. This is visibly illustrated in the book of Acts when we read of the salvation of the Gentile believers in Antioch.
And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed. (Acts 13:48).
These Gentiles heard the message of the gospel and a number of them believed the message and were saved. Luke describes this number as those who had been appointed to eternal life.
Notice who is described as doing the action in each of these clauses:
Who appointed these Gentiles to eternal life? One might try to suggest that they appointed themselves, but that would be an improper use of the passive voice. Furthermore, the Greek verb is a perfect passive participle (tetagmenoi). The action of the perfect tense precedes the action of the main verb. This means the appointment of these Gentiles to eternal life took place before they believed.
Since it is in the passive voice, the action was been done TO them - they were not the ones doing the appointing, but rather someone else had already done that. The same form of the same word is used in Acts 22:10 where Paul is told to “arise and go on into Damascus, and there you will be told of all that HAS BEEN APPOINTED for you to do.” Paul did not appoint himself to be an apostle and these Gentile believers did not appoint themselves to eternal life.
And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed. (Acts 13:48).
These Gentiles heard the message of the gospel and a number of them believed the message and were saved. Luke describes this number as those who had been appointed to eternal life.
Notice who is described as doing the action in each of these clauses:
| The Gentiles did this action... | The Gentiles are passive... |
| They heard... They began rejoicing and glorifying... They believed... | They had been appointed to eternal life |
Since it is in the passive voice, the action was been done TO them - they were not the ones doing the appointing, but rather someone else had already done that. The same form of the same word is used in Acts 22:10 where Paul is told to “arise and go on into Damascus, and there you will be told of all that HAS BEEN APPOINTED for you to do.” Paul did not appoint himself to be an apostle and these Gentile believers did not appoint themselves to eternal life.
God desires all people to be saved according to His redemption plan. God does not desire all people to be saved by some man-made method that rejects scripture. No amount of redefining the Greek words used in Acts 13:48 will change the text, those that took Paul's direction to eternal life believed!
Brightfame52
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Silverhair
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BF you really need to learn how to read if you do not see a condition for salvation in those words.
The question "what must I do to be saved"
The requirement/condition "Believe in the Lord Jesus"
Outcome "and you will be saved"
If you do not see the condition in those words it is not because they are not there but because you do not want to see them as they do not fit your philosophy.
Brightfame52
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Nothing about conditions to get saved there, now if you make anything a condition, man must do to get saved, its an accursed gospel of works
Silverhair
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@Martin Marprelate so you think the |Holy Spirit got it wrong.
God's desire is that all should come to repentance and thus be saved but He has set a condition for salvation, trust in His risen son.
That you continue to miss this is quite surprising. It seems to be more that you do not want to accept it than that you do not see it.
OK. Acts 13:48. 'When the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and all who had been designated to eternal life believed.' It doesn't change the meaning of the sentence. Also, the word 'chose' appears nowhere in Matthew 28:16. You have written it in.
Neither the word 'choose' nor the word 'directions' appear anywhere in Luke 7:8; you have written them in, but OK. Acts 13:48. 'When the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and all who had been directed to eternal life believed.'
Neither the word 'agree' nor the wor 'direction' appear anywhere in Acts 15:2; you have written them in, but OK. 'When the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and all who had been directed to eternal life believed.'
Acts 22:10. '....."Arise and go into Damascus and there you will be told all things which are appointed for you to do.' But OK. Acts 13:48. When the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and all who had been designated to eternal life believed.
The words 'preach' and 'follows' appear nowhere in Acts 28:23. Acts 28:23. 'So when they had 'appointed him a day......' But OK Acts 13:48. 'When the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and all who had been directed to eternal life believed. '
Romans 13:1. '.........The authorities that exist are appointed by God.' But OK. Acts 13:48. When the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and all who had been designated or arranged to eternal life believed.
You have chosen the wrong verse. 1 Cor, 15:16. 'For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen.
It does nothing of the sort despite your attempts to write it in. None of them mention an arrangement by mutual agreement.
Acts 13:48 does not mention anyone accepting anything; nor does it mention Paul or his direction. The verse says that all those who were appointed, designated or directed to eternal life believed.
On the contrary, you have utterly corrupted all the texts you have produced to fit your man-made doctrine. All those texts are perfectly clear.
Silverhair
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Ignoring the truth does not make it go away BF. Although you do seem to be quite adept at doing just that.
Psalm 115:3. 'But our God is in heaven; He does whatever pleases Him.If God desires every single person in the world whoever lived to be saved, that is what would happen. That you continue to miss this is quite surprising. It seems to be more that you do not want to accept it than that you do not see it. Ignoring the truth does not make it go away Silverhair. Although you do seem to be quite adept at doing just that.