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Archangel Michael being the Angel of Jehovah.

Ascetic X

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No. John Gill [1697-1771] affirms the Deity of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Jude 9, 'Yet Michael the archangel,.... By whom is meant, not a created angel, but an eternal one, the Lord Jesus Christ; as appears from his name Michael, which signifies, "who is as God": and who is as God, or like unto him, but the Son of God, who is equal with God? and from his character as the archangel, or Prince of angels, for Christ is the head of all principality and power; and from what is elsewhere said of Michael, as that he is the great Prince, and on the side of the people of God, and to have angels under him, and at his command, Da 10:21. . . .'
John Gill cannot affirm the deity of Jesus Christ, while simultaneously claiming the archangel Michael is Jesus Christ.

Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that Jesus, as the "Word of God" and "Light of the World" was created on day 1 of Creation by Yahweh as the heavenly archangel Michael before he came to earth as Jesus, and that he is still known in heaven as Michael since his resurrection.

Daniel 10:13 says Michael is “one of the chief princes”:

But the prince of the kingdom of Persia was standing in my way for twenty-one days; then behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left there with the kings of Persia.

Arguments Against Jesus Being Michael:
  • Nature: The Bible distinguishes Jesus as the Creator (Colossians 1:16) and Son of God, but never calls Jesus an Angel, while Michael is a created angel.
  • Worship: Scripture dictates that angels are not to be worshipped, yet Jesus receives worship, indicating he is not a created being.
  • Authority: In Jude 1:9, Michael the archangel does not rebuke Satan directly, but refers to God, whereas Jesus holds supreme authority and rebukes demons and the devil directly.
  • Definition: Hebrews 1:5-8 argues that God never called any angel His Son, specifically distinguishing Jesus from angels.
 
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JesusFan

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Why? If His Name Michael means He is.
like God. Remember John 8:24.
Zachriah 3:2, And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, . . .
Jude 1:9, . . . Yet Michael the archangel, . . . said, The Lord rebuke thee.
Jesus created Michael
 

JesusFan

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John Gill cannot affirm the deity of Jesus Christ, while simultaneously claiming the archangel Michael is Jesus Christ.

Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that Jesus, as the "Word of God" and "Light of the World" was created on day 1 of Creation by Yahweh as the heavenly archangel Michael before he came to earth as Jesus, and that he is still known in heaven as Michael since his resurrection.

Arguments Against Jesus Being Michael:
  • Nature: The Bible distinguishes Jesus as the Creator (Colossians 1:16) and Son of God, but never calls Jesus an Angel, while Michael is a created angel.
  • Worship: Scripture dictates that angels are not to be worshipped, yet Jesus receives worship, indicating he is not a created being.
  • Authority: In Jude 1:9, Michael the archangel does not rebuke Satan directly, but refers to God, whereas Jesus holds supreme authority and rebukes demons and the devil directly.
  • Definition: Hebrews 1:5-8 argues that God never called any angel His Son, specifically distinguishing Jesus from angels.
Think those who hold to that heresy regrading nature and person of Jesus also tie it into when Jesus returns, with the voice of the arch angel
Yes, both John Calvin and John Gill, among other historical Protestant theologians, identified Michael the Archangel as a title for the pre-incarnate Jesus Christ in their commentaries on Daniel and Jude. They viewed Michael not as a created angel, but as the eternal Son of God acting as the defender of the church.
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  • John Calvin: In his Commentaries on the Book of the Prophet Daniel, Calvin stated he embraced "the opinion of those who refer this [Michael] to the person of Christ, because it suits the subject best to represent him as standing forward for the defense of his elect people".
  • John Gill: The Baptist theologian wrote regarding Jude 1:9 that by Michael, "is meant, not a created angel, but an eternal one, the Lord Jesus Christ".
  • Distinction from Non-Trinitarians: Unlike modern Jehovah's Witnesses who believe Jesus is a created angel, Calvin and Gill held this view while affirming that Jesus is fully divine and part of the Trinity, identifying Michael simply as a title for His role as the chief commander of heavenly forces.
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Other theologians holding similar views include Matthew Henry and John Wesley.
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37818

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Jesus created Michael
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The identity of the Archangel being revealled in Zachriah 3:1-2, And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him. And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?

Jude 1:9 being the earlier event. Michael being the sole Archangel.
 
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JesusFan

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The identity of the Archangel being revealled in Zachriah 3:1-2, And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him. And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?

Jude 1:9 being the earlier event. Michael being the sole Archangel.
Michael was not Jesus
 

37818

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Michael was not Jesus

Are you sure?

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Zachriah 3:2, . . . And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, . . .
Jude 1:9, . . . said, The Lord rebuke thee.
 

37818

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Jude 1:9, . . . επιτιμησαι σοι κυριος
LXX, Zachriah 3:2, . . . επιτιμησαι κυριος εν σοι . . . .
 

Ascetic X

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Are you sure?

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel…

Zachriah 3:2, . . . And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, . . .
Jude 1:9, . . . said, The Lord rebuke thee.
“With the voice of the archangel” does not mean Michael the archangel and Jesus are the same person. Jesus will utter an authoritative command, the archangel will call or cry out, and a blast will come from God’s trumpet. 3 different things in unison.

1 Thessalonians 4:16 RSV

“For the Lord himself, with a cry of command, with the archangel’s call, and with the sound of God’s trumpet, will descend from heaven, and the dead in Christ will rise first.”

Jude 1:9 proves that Michael is NOT Jesus Christ. Jesus had authority to rebuke the devil directly, as He did during His temptations in the desert, when Jesus said to Peter “Satan get thee behind me!”, and indirectly when He cast out demons. Jesus would and did dare…

“Yet Michael the archangel, in contending with the devil, when he disputed about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a reviling accusation, but said, 'The Lord rebuke you!'"
 
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