Archangel Michael being the Angel of Jehovah.

[37818]

Compare ASV Zechriah 3:1-2, And he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of Jehovah, and Satan standing at his right hand to be his adversary. And Jehovah said unto Satan, Jehovah rebuke thee, O Satan; yea, Jehovah that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire. . . .

ASV Jude 1:9, But Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing judgment, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

[ John Gill, 'Yet Michael the archangel,.... By whom is meant, not a created angel, but an eternal one, the Lord Jesus Christ; as appears from his name Michael, which signifies, "who is as God": and who is as God, or like unto him, but the Son of God, who is equal with God? and from his character as the archangel, or Prince of angels, for Christ is the head of all principality and power; and from what is elsewhere said of Michael, as that he is the great Prince, and on the side of the people of God, and to have angels under him, and at his command, Da 10:21. . . . .']

 

[Ben1445]

Compare ASV Zechriah 3:1-2, And he showed me Joshua the high priest

(being number one. Jesus.)

standing before the angel of Jehovah,

(being number two not Jesus)

and Satan standing at his right hand to be his adversary. And Jehovah said unto Satan, Jehovah rebuke thee, O Satan; yea, Jehovah that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire. . . .

ASV Jude 1:9, But Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing judgment, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

And if Jesus is the Lord, why does He need to pass the responsibility of the rebuke of Satan over to Himself, to be given to Satan by Himself?

Excellent Scripture.
Gill has some good material at times. This is not one of them.

 

[Oseas3]

Compare ASV Zechriah 3:1-2, And he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of Jehovah, and Satan standing at his right hand to be his adversary. And Jehovah said unto Satan, Jehovah rebuke thee, O Satan; yea, Jehovah that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire. . . .

ASV Jude 1:9, But Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing judgment, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

[ John Gill, 'Yet Michael the archangel,.... By whom is meant, not a created angel, but an eternal one, the Lord Jesus Christ; as appears from his name Michael, which signifies, "who is as God": and who is as God, or like unto him, but the Son of God, who is equal with God? and from his character as the archangel, or Prince of angels, for Christ is the head of all principality and power; and from what is elsewhere said of Michael, as that he is the great Prince, and on the side of the people of God, and to have angels under him, and at his command, Da 10:21. . . . .']

Revelation 1:1-20
1 The Revelation of JESUS Christ, which GOD gave unto Him, to shew unto His servants things which must shortly come to pass; and JESUS sent and signified it by His ANGEL unto His servant John->(In fact an Archangel - Michael):
2 Who bare record of the Word of GOD, and of the testimony of JESUS Christ, and of all things that he saw.
9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of JESUS Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the Word of GOD, and for the testimony of JESUS Christ.
10...and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

Revelation 22:8-9 and 16-17
8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel (archangel) which shewed me these things.
9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets(the true preachers of the Word of GOD), and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship GOD.
-> verses 16&17:->
16 The Lord JESUS said:-> I JESUS have sent mine angel(archangel) to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

1Thessalonians 4:16:->16 For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the Archangel(Michael-Revelation 12:7-12, take a look, and Revelation 11:15-18, and Revelation 20:1-4), and with the trump of GOD: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:->(Daniel 12:1-3 combined with Isaiah 26:19-21, take a look).

In the other hand, the esoteric / spiritist and kabbalistic Jehovah is the FATHER of the Jews->John 8:44 combined with Revelation 12:9.
By the way, speaking of the satanic Jehovah and his angels or messengers, Paul apostle warned, saying: 2Corinthians 11:13-15:->

13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. (the Word of GOD is light-Pslms 119:105)
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his MINISTERS (MINISTERS OF THE DEVIL) also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. ->Revelation 12:7-12 combined with Revelation 16:13-15, take a look).

Similarity between passing by the Red Sea and by the Red Dragon

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - PUT THIS IN YOUR MIND ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - THE RED SEA AND THE RED DRAGON ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I believe you know that the Hebrews had to cross the Red Sea, and walk through a desert, walk until they got to the Promised Land after 40 years of...

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Revelation 1:1-20
1 The Revelation of JESUS Christ, which GOD gave unto Him, to shew unto His servants things which must shortly come to pass; and JESUS sent and signified it by His ANGEL unto His servant John->(In fact an Archangel - Michael):
2 Who bare record of the Word of GOD, and of the testimony of JESUS Christ, and of all things that he saw.
9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of JESUS Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the Word of GOD, and for the testimony of JESUS Christ.
10...and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

Revelation 22:8-9 and 16-17
8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel (archangel) which shewed me these things.
9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets(the true preachers of the Word of GOD), and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship GOD.
-> verses 16&17:->
16 The Lord JESUS said:-> I JESUS have sent mine angel(archangel) to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

1Thessalonians 4:16:->16 For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the Archangel(Michael-Revelation 12:7-12, take a look, and Revelation 11:15-18, and Revelation 20:1-4), and with the trump of GOD: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:->(Daniel 12:1-3 combined with Isaiah 26:19-21, take a look).

In the other hand, the esoteric / spiritist and kabbalistic Jehovah is the FATHER of the Jews->John 8:44 combined with Revelation 12:9.
By the way, speaking of the satanic Jehovah and his angels or messengers, Paul apostle warned, saying: 2Corinthians 11:13-15:->

13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. (the Word of GOD is light-Pslms 119:105)
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his MINISTERS (MINISTERS OF THE DEVIL) also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. ->Revelation 12:7-12 combined with Revelation 16:13-15, take a look).

Similarity between passing by the Red Sea and by the Red Dragon

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - PUT THIS IN YOUR MIND ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - THE RED SEA AND THE RED DRAGON ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I believe you know that the Hebrews had to cross the Red Sea, and walk through a desert, walk until they got to the Promised Land after 40 years of...

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Confusing explainations.

 

[Oseas3]

Confusing explainations.

What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD. Remember 1Corinthians 1:27-30:
27 GOD hath chosen the foolish things of the world to CONFOUND the wise; and GOD hath chosen the weak things of the world to CONFOUND the things which are mighty;
28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath GOD chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
29 That no flesh should glory in His presence.

The Word is GOD,
GOD Himself,
GOD Father,
Self-executing,
Self-executable,
Father of my Lord JESUS Christ,->the Word made flesh in One, and our Father,
GOD is Life,
Eternal Life,
the bread of Life,
the bread of heaven,
the heavenly manna,
and the bread of angels,
with whom we must render an account, understand? ->1Corinthians 10:1-12 combined with Luke 20:35-36, take a look.

1John 2:28-29:

->28 And now, little children, abide in Him; that, when He shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before Him at His coming.
29 If ye know that He is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of Him.

 

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What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD. Remember 1Corinthians 1:27-30:
27 GOD hath chosen the foolish things of the world to CONFOUND the wise; and GOD hath chosen the weak things of the world to CONFOUND the things which are mighty;
28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath GOD chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
29 That no flesh should glory in His presence.

The Word is GOD,
GOD Himself,
GOD Father,
Self-executing,
Self-executable,
Father of my Lord JESUS Christ,->the Word made flesh in One, and our Father,
GOD is Life,
Eternal Life,
the bread of Life,
the bread of heaven,
the heavenly manna,
and the bread of angels,
with whom we must render an account, understand? ->1Corinthians 10:1-12 combined with Luke 20:35-36, take a look.

1John 2:28-29:

->28 And now, little children, abide in Him; that, when He shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before Him at His coming.
29 If ye know that He is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of Him.

All good stuff. But fail to address the topic of this thread.

 

[JesusFan]

Compare ASV Zechriah 3:1-2, And he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of Jehovah, and Satan standing at his right hand to be his adversary. And Jehovah said unto Satan, Jehovah rebuke thee, O Satan; yea, Jehovah that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire. . . .

ASV Jude 1:9, But Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing judgment, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

[ John Gill, 'Yet Michael the archangel,.... By whom is meant, not a created angel, but an eternal one, the Lord Jesus Christ; as appears from his name Michael, which signifies, "who is as God": and who is as God, or like unto him, but the Son of God, who is equal with God? and from his character as the archangel, or Prince of angels, for Christ is the head of all principality and power; and from what is elsewhere said of Michael, as that he is the great Prince, and on the side of the people of God, and to have angels under him, and at his command, Da 10:21. . . . .']

Very wrong, as Jesus is God, Michael the archangel

 

[Ben1445]

Very wrong, as Jesus is God, Michael the archangel

I’m sorry. That can be read both ways. Would you mind clarifying that statement. I am not sure what you have said.

 

[JesusFan]

I’m sorry. That can be read both ways. Would you mind clarifying that statement. I am not sure what you have said.

Jesus is very God, cannot be Michael, as Michael mere arch angel

 

[37818]

Jesus is very God, cannot be Michael, as Michael mere arch angel

Why? If His Name Michael means He is.
like God. Remember John 8:24.
Zachriah 3:2, And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, . . .
Jude 1:9, . . . Yet Michael the archangel, . . . said, The Lord rebuke thee.

 

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Greek cross reference
LXX, Zachriah 3:2, . . . επιτιμησαι κυριος εν σοι . . .
Byz, Jude 1:9, . . . επιτιμησαι σοι κυριος . . .

 

[Oseas3]

All good stuff. But fail to address the topic of this thread..

What is written in the topic is not true; To say -> Archangel Michael being the Angel of Jehovah <- is a devilish tares. Michael never was the angel of the Devil named Jehovah by the esoteric and kabbalistic Jews. Inspired by the SPIRIT OF DEVIL, THEIR FATHER, they introduced the SATANIC NAME JEHOVAH in the Old Testament NOT by the Holy Spirit, OF COURSE, but by the SPIRIT OF DEVIL, the father of the exoteric and kabbalistic Jews.

JESUS came unto His own, and His own received Him not, and JESUS said to the Jews.-> John 8:44(combined with Matthew 23:33-35, take a look):->Ye are of your father the Devil(the MAN of sin, son of perdition), and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Archangel MICHAEL He has nothing to do with the DEMONIC JEHOVAH introduced in the Hebrew Bible by the spirit of Devil, not by the Holy Spirit of GOD, the Father-John 4:24. ; Michael is a fellowservant of the true believers:-> Revelation 22:8-11.
8 And I John..when I had heard and seen these things, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.
9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship GOD.

10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.

11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

Revelation 12:
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great RED DRAGON, (Dragon? Revelation 13:11, a false lamb, a false messiah as JESUS said:-John 5:43-47, take a look) having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels(messengers) fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels(messengers),

8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he WAS CAST out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our GOD, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our GOD day and night.

11 And they(Michael and his messengers) overcame him(overcame the red Dragon and his messengers) by the blood of the Lamb, and by the Word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Revelation 16:13-15
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

 

[Oseas3]

Jesus is very God, cannot be Michael, as Michael mere arch angel

Yes, and it is Michael who comes before JESUS's coming: Daniel 12:1-3 combined with 1 Thessalonians 4:16:-> 16 For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the VOICE of the archangel(that is Michael), and with the trump of GOD(1CORINTHIANS 15:51-52 COMBINED WITH Revelation 11:15-18): and the dead in Christ shall rise first(ISAIAH 26:19-21 combined with Daniel 12:1-3 and 10-12, take a look). Be prepared or else get ready - Matthew 25:6-10.