Archangel Michael being the Angel of Jehovah.

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Very important to state that none of them held jesus to be the archangel Michael, as held by JW

Those were Trinitarians. JW,'s cultist deny the Trinity. Duh.

 

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Those were Trinitarians. JW,'s cultist deny the Trinity. Duh.

But the point is that Jehovahs Witnesses, who deny the deity of Jesus Christ, also claim that Jesus and Michael the archangel are the same person. The idea seems to be part of their misinterpretation of Christ, claiming He is less than God the Son, the Only Begotten God.

The fact that some trinitarians shared the same notion of Michael being the pre-incarnate and post-ascension Christ does not rescue the concept from being in error.

Hebrews 1:5

“For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?”

Michael cannot be the same as Jesus, for Jesus would never be called “one of the chief princes”. Jesus is THE Prince of Peace and Lord of Lords. Michael is not called the only begotten Son of God or Emmanuel, God with us. Bible never says Michael was born of a Virgin Mary and dwelt among us.

Daniel 10:13

“But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.”

 

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Michael cannot be the same as Jesus, for Jesus would never be called “one of the chief princes."

According to Psalm 45:7, cited in Hebrews 1:9, He.has "fellows."

 

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Zachriah was also talking about a Priest. And cited the Angel identified as the LORD.
. . . Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; . . .

I have often quoted the Gettysburg Address. That doesn’t make me Abraham Lincoln.

There is no reference in Jude to Zechariah 3, else one would expect to find Moses mentioned considering that it was about his body they argued.

There are likely many Christians who in temptation have said that same thing. They don’t become Jesus for saying it.

 

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There is no reference in Jude to Zechariah 3, . . .

My Nestle Aland 26 Greek NT does.

Jude 1:9, . . . επιτιμησαι σοι κυριος
LXX, Zachriah 3:2, . . . επιτιμησαι κυριος εν σοι . . . .

 

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My Nestle Aland 26 Greek NT does.

It can’t be a reference to that OT passage if the context is different. If you can find the disputed body of Moses that Jude refers to
(Jude 1:9
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.)

Since Zechariah is not about the body of Moses, these are two separate happenings. They should not be confused one with the other.
If Moses can be found in Zechariah, please show me that the two phrases are the same incident. Otherwise, it is evident that you are mistaken and distracted from truth by similarity of phrase without given context.

 

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By this sort of reasoning, on might say that Job is God because he said “I am.”

Job 11:4
For thou hast said, My doctrine is pure,
and I am clean in thine eyes.

Job 12:4
I am as one mocked of his neighbour,
who calleth upon God, and he answereth him: the just upright man is laughed to scorn.

Job 19:15
They that dwell in mine house, and my maids,
count me for a stranger:
I am an alien in their sight.

Job 30:9
And now am I their song,
yea, I am their byword.

Job 30:29
I am a brother to dragons,
and a companion to owls.

But context is very clear and nobody (I should hope) confuses Job to be the Lord.

The clear context of the quote in Jude is missing where you say it came from.

There is closer context to say that Psalm 19:4 is a reference to Genesis 9:17,18, and 19.

 

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According to Psalm 45:7, cited in Hebrews 1:9, He.has "fellows.”

He, Jesus Christ, does not just have fellows, He is exalted above them all, rather than merely being one of the chief ones, like Michael is described.

Psalm 45:7

Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

 

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It can’t be a reference to that OT passage if the context is different. If you can find the disputed body of Moses that Jude refers to
(Jude 1:9
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.)

Since Zechariah is not about the body of Moses, these are two separate happenings. They should not be confused one with the other.
If Moses can be found in Zechariah, please show me that the two phrases are the same incident. Otherwise, it is evident that you are mistaken and distracted from truth by similarity of phrase without given context.

You are NOT understanding.
It is a cross reference to the common Greek translated, "The Lord rebuke thee."

Both the cited Archangel Michael and the Angel of the LORD.

 

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He, Jesus Christ, does not just have fellows, He is exalted above them all, rather than merely being one of the chief ones, like Michael is described.

Psalm 45:7

Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Hebrews 1:9,
Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

 

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Hebrews 1:9,
Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

You quoted the same verse I quoted.

 

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He, Jesus Christ, does not just have fellows, He is exalted above them all, rather than merely being one of the chief ones, like Michael is described.

Psalm 45:7

Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Hebrews 1:9,
Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

You quoted the same verse I quoted.

Psalm 45:7,
Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

One from Psalms and one from Hebrews quoting the Psalm.

 

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The Son of God is both someone with God and God.

Per John 1:1-2, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.

 

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You are NOT understanding.
It is a cross reference to the common Greek translated, "The Lord rebuke thee."

Both the cited Archangel Michael and the Angel of the LORD.

That still sounds like two different people to me. You are right. I don’t know what you are talking about.

I don’t see how what you’re saying makes Michael out to be God.

 

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That still sounds like two different peop in le to me. You are right. I don’t know what you are talking about.

The Son of God being one Person has always had two natures. His nature being with God and His nature being God. It is His nature being with God is what changed when He became human. His being God never changes.

John 1:1-3.

 

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The Son of God being one Person has always had two natures. His nature being with God and His nature being God. It is His nature being with God is what changed when He became human. His being God never changes.

John 1:1-3

Please explain.