Are all of God's Ten Commandments still valid?

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

The reality today is that people are dying and going to hell

WHEN GOD HAS SPOKEN

and you nor I can't lift a finger about it.

 

[DHK]

The reality today is that people are dying and going to hell

WHEN GOD HAS SPOKEN

and you nor I can't lift a finger about it.

If you obey the Great Commission you can.
Or you can sit back in your chair and do nothing.
The decision is yours, whether to obey God or not.

Go ye into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.

 

[DHK]

DHK rejects this just like Bob Ryan rejects it --- the only legitimate and LEGITIMATIZING work of God for the CHRISTIAN man’s ‘keeping’ of the Sabbath Day.

You are like two starving wolves in snow-covered wasteland who instead of to hunt together and be succesfull at finding some food for survival, go at one another’s throat for nothing but self-anihilation.

You are very much confused. There is no "official day" to worship.
God has created every day alike. Most Christians honor Sunday out of tradition, and secondly, because Christ rose the first day of the week.
Some time ago I went to the mission field of an Islamic nation. We held our services on Friday, the Muslim holy day. Why? That was the only day of the week the people could find time to meet together. Every other day was a work day, and there was no available time for them to meet. Was God displeased because we met on a Friday. No. He was pleased that we were able to meet one day a week, no matter what day it was.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

You are very much confused. There is no "official day" to worship.
God has created every day alike. Most Christians honor Sunday out of tradition, and secondly, because Christ rose the first day of the week.
Some time ago I went to the mission field of an Islamic nation. We held our services on Friday, the Muslim holy day. Why? That was the only day of the week the people could find time to meet together. Every other day was a work day, and there was no available time for them to meet. Was God displeased because we met on a Friday. No. He was pleased that we were able to meet one day a week, no matter what day it was.

<<<There is no "official day" to worship.>>>

There is; it is Sunday right through <official> Christianity.

<<<God has created every day alike.>>>

God has not <<created every day alike>>.
God created six days in the beginning.
Then He “made, the Sabbath” by the Lordship of Jesus over it—“The Seventh Day God thus concerning spake BY THE SON” as He never spake and “never will again speak concerning another day” of salvation-rest.

But you are perfectly right, <<<Most Christians honor Sunday out of tradition, and secondly, because Christ rose the first day of the week.>>>

Only, I do not understand how you can view its as <<honor Sunday>> if <<most Christians honor (it) out of tradition>>?

And yes, <<Most Christians honor Sunday… because…>> they MISTAKENLY believe that <<…Christ rose the first day of the week>>— which lies at the heart of their being so deceived “concerning the day The Seventh Day God thus spake by the Son in these last days” … “THUS…” meaning, that Christ “in the SABBATH’S fullness of daylight mid-inclining towards the First Day”, rose from the dead and grave.

Now that you were able to hold your services on Friday on the mission field of an Islamic nation, we all must thank and praise the Lord for. God surely must have been much pleased with your faithfulness in the cause of the Gospel, no matter what day it was you held <<your services on>>!

What is seriously wrong though with your self-defence, DHK, is that you assume it changes the Scriptures and overrules the Gospel proclaimed THEREIN.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

The trouble with Christianity is not that they / WE, do not 'keep the Sabbath'; it is that they / WE, do not believe, the Sabbath --- "concerning (which) God thus spake by the Son", that in it, "God, the Seventh Day, from all his works rested" AND FROM THE BEGINNING, HAS BEEN WORKING, TO REST IN CHRIST, IN HAVING RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD, ON THE SABBATH.

 

[OldRegular]

Originally Posted by OldRegular
Our LORD and Savior Jesus Christ came out of the grave on the First Day of the Week.

I think we all know that and agree that that day was Sunday "week day 1". Even the "Baptist Confession of Faith" admits to it.

And Paul reminds us that Christ said that at the Lord's table we "do show the Lord's DEATH until He comes".

1 Cor 11:25
“This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.” 26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until He comes.

Two facts that are irrefutable.

That is one you got correct!

Originally Posted by OldRegular
That Resurrection was the the single most important event in all of history.

He resurrected-- ONCE and He was born -- ONCE and church tradition eventually got around to celebrating easter and Christmas in true man-made-tradition fashion. Not really violating any part of God's moral Law to do so.

Christ did not die "once every week" nor was we resurrected "once every week".

That is a bizarre, smart alecky statement for a Christian to make. Apparently you have no real understanding of what the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ accomplished. But, of course, as a disciple of Ms. White you believe salvation is based on works rather than grace, perhaps it is understandable. I will repeat for your learning what the Word of God says about the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

1 Corinthians 15:12-19
12. Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
13. But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
14. And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
15. Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
16. For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
17. And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
18. Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
19. If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.

Without the resurrection of Jesus Christ there is no salvation for anyone throughout time, not even disciples of Ms. White.

Originally Posted by OldRegular
Note also in the following Scripture that it was the custom of the Saints to gather on the First Day of the week to worship, that day undoubtedly chosen to celebrate the Resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Act 20:7. And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

Not every week - rather that one day that one week because Paul was about to leave that next morning. In Acts 20 -- it is travel plans for... week day 1.

Then why did Paul not preach on the seventh day. And why does Scripture record that he preached on the First Day if that were insignificant. And you are reading your own bias into Scripture when you say "not every week".

The 7th day is repeatedly called "Sabbath" in the NT AFTER the cross but never is week-day-1 called "The LORD's day" in the NT -- it is only called 'week day 1".

Where is your Scriptural evidence that the First Day is not called the Lord's Day. The Sabbath certainly is not called the Lord's day.


You could also learn from Acts 2:1ff that the Church was empowered with the Holy Spirit in the First Day of the week when Pentecost was fully come. You might also consider Colossians 2:16 below as regards the sabbath and the Judgmental attitude of Ms. Whites disciples! I also call your attention to the writing of one of the early Church Fathers:

The early church fathers generally viewed sabbath as a Jewish observance, and the Lord's Day as the proper Christian observance.

For example, Ignatius wrote in the early 100's A.D., describing Christians with a Jewish background as those who “have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in observance of the Lord's Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His death” (Magnesians 9 ) [Editor's note: Magnesians is a letter written to the church at Magnesia by Ignatius, a church father, also called Theophorus.]
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-acb/acb-t007.html

Originally Posted by OldRegular

1 Corinthians 16:2. Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

Nothing in 1 Cor 16 about a worship service on "week-day-1".

Rather "lay by him in store" -- savings at home rather than a group worship service on "week day 1".

Why did they lay by on the First Day of the week rather than the seventh?

Continued in following post!

 

[OldRegular]

Continued from above post!

Originally Posted by OldRegular
I realize there are Scripture in the New Testament in which the Apostle Paul preached to the Jews in the synagogue on the sabbath and that Gentiles were sometimes present. However it should not be expected that Jews would meat any other day than the sabbath!

Then you need to read Acts 13 "Again" where :"almost the entire city" shows up on Sabbath - and were in fact told to meet NEXT Sabbath instead of "Tomorrow on week-day-1".

Paul present the Gospel to BOTH Jews and Gentiles on Sabbath in Acts 13 (and Acts 17 and Acts 18) but in Acts 13 most Jews whine yet gentiles accept so then they are told to "meet the NEXT Sabbath for MORE" -- and then "almost the entire city shows up" not on WEEK-day-1... but on "the NEXT Sabbath"

Acts 1:12. Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day’s journey.
Acts 13:14. But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.
Acts 13:27. For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day,they have fulfilled them in condemning him.
Acts 13:42. And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
Acts 13:44. And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
Acts 15:21. For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
Acts 16:13. And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.
Acts 17:1. Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where was a synagogue of the Jews:
Acts 17:2. And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
Acts 18:4. And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
Colossians 2:16. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Consider the above Scripture. In all cases related to worship, except Acts 16:3, the synagogue is associated with the Sabbath. Obviously when Paul preached to the Jews he preached in the synagogue on the Sabbath. The fact that Gentiles were present does not alter that fact. The one exception is Acts 16:3 where Paul went to the riverside to preach. So you see Ryan your argument does not hold water.

Your problem Ryan is that you are following the Pope of the Seventh Day Adventists, not Jesus Christ of Scripture!

The Seventh-day Adventist Church's Understanding of Ellen White's Authority

Exhibit One. From The Adventist Review, December 23, 1982.
Also appeared in Ministry, February 1983.

The Inspiration and Authority of the Ellen G. White Writings

[Ten Affirmations and Ten Denials on Ellen White's Authority]

Issued by the Biblical Research Institute of The General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists

A statement of present understanding

In response to requests, a statement on the relationship of the writings of Ellen G. White to the Bible was prepared initially by an ad hoc committee of the General Conference. The statement was published in the July 15 [1982] Adventist Review and August [1982] issue of Ministry with an invitation to readers to respond to it. Suggestions from readers and from several groups have led to a refinement of the statement to its present form. Although it is not a voted statement, we believe that the worldwide participation in its development makes it a reflection of the views of the church on the topic it addresses. -- Biblical Research Institute.

In the Statement of Fundamental Beliefs voted by the General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists at Dallas in April, 1980, the Preamble states: "Seventh-day Adventists accept the Bible as their only creed and hold certain fundamental beliefs to be the teaching of the Holy Scriptures." Paragraph one reflects the church's understanding of the inspiration and authority of the Scriptures, while paragraph seventeen reflects the church's understanding of the writings of Ellen White in relation to the Scriptures. These paragraphs read as follows:

1. The Holy Scriptures

The Holy Scriptures, Old and New Testaments, are the written Word of God, given by divine inspiration through holy men of God who spoke and wrote as they were moved by the Holy Spirit. In this Word, God has committed to man the knowledge necessary for salvation. The Holy Scriptures are the infallible revelation of His will. They are the standard of character, the test of experience, the authoritative revealer of doctrines, and the trustworthy record of God's acts in history. Support is found in these Bible passages: 2 Peter 1:20,21; 2 Timothy 3:16,17; Psalms 119:105; Proverbs 30:5,6; Isaiah 8:20; John 17:17; 1 Thessalonians 2:13; Hebrews 4:12.

17. The Gift Of Prophecy

One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of Ellen G. White. As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. Support is found in these Bible passages: Joel 2:28,29; Acts 2:14-21; Hebrews 1:1-3; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 19:10.
http://www.whiteestate.org/issues/scripsda.html

Given the above where the SDA place the writing of Ms. White on par with Scripture I would remind you what Scripture states about such:

Revelation 22:18, 19
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

 

[Salty]

God commanded ...

... I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ
Acts 16:18
Am I correct in assuming that this was Paul speaking?

Salty

PS Still waiting on the answer about the hundreds of other OT laws - does Ryan keep those also?

 

[OldRegular]

Ryan

You, and a good many others, need to ask yourselfs: Why did God wait 1800 years to reveal something new to Ms. White, Charles Taze Russell, Joseph Smith, and John Nelson Darby?

I realize some claim God has been giving new revelation to the Pope all along but really, do we need 4 more popes?

 

[DHK]

Ryan

You, and a good many others, need to ask yourselfs: Why did God wait 1800 years to reveal something new to Ms. White, Charles Taze Russell, Joseph Smith, and John Nelson Darby?

I realize some claim God has been giving new revelation to the Pope all along but really, do we need 4 more popes?

Don't slander. God did not reveal anything new to Darby. To put Darby into a class with the cults is slanderous and libel. He was a born again believer that loved the Lord and did not believe or associate with any of the cults. You should be ashamed.

 

[BobRyan]

Quote:
I realize there are Scripture in the New Testament in which the Apostle Paul preached to the Jews in the synagogue on the sabbath and that Gentiles were sometimes present. However it should not be expected that Jews would meat any other day than the sabbath!

Nothing in 1 Cor 16 about a worship service on "week-day-1".

Rather "lay by him in store" -- savings at home rather than a group worship service on "week day 1".



Then you need to read Acts 13 "Again" where :"almost the entire city" shows up on Sabbath - and were in fact told to meet NEXT Sabbath instead of "Tomorrow on week-day-1".

Paul present the Gospel to BOTH Jews and Gentiles on Sabbath in Acts 13 (and Acts 17 and Acts 18) but in Acts 13 most Jews whine yet gentiles accept so then they are told to "meet the NEXT Sabbath for MORE" -- and then "almost the entire city shows up" not on WEEK-day-1... but on "the NEXT Sabbath"

Then why did Paul not preach on the seventh day.

He DID preach on the Sabbath - Sabbath after Sabbath after Sabbath - you see it in Acts 13 and Acts 17 and Acts 18. Why do you even ask that??

And why does Scripture record that he preached on the First Day if that were insignificant.

Only did it once -

Not a crime you know.

And you are reading your own bias into Scripture when you say "not every week".

That is not in the text or you would have told us about it -- and we all can read it.

Where is your Scriptural evidence that the First Day is not called the Lord's Day.

"The seventh day IS THE SABBATH of the LORD" Ex 20:8-11

No such statement for week-day-1.

"Therefor God BLESSED the seventh day and made it HOLY" Gen 2:3

No such statement for week-day-1

The Sabbath certainly is not called the Lord's day.

Until you read the Bible. "The Son of Man is LORD of the Sabbath" -

No such statement for "week day 1".

"The Sabbath of the LORD Thy God" Is 56:13

No such statement for "week day 1"

Why did they lay by on the First Day of the week rather than the seventh?

It would be pointless to save up at the end of the week when all the earnings were gone. Better to set the money aside at the start of of the week to be sure it is not spent.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

Which is a problem for your arguments on this thread.

Though we cannot say that the majority of "even" pro-sunday scholarship chooses to make your mistake as we notice in the following examples


"Baptist Confession of Faith"
"Westminster Confession of Faith"
C.H. Spurgeon
Andy Stanley
Matthew Henry
[FONT=&quot]Jamieson, Fausset, Brown
R.C Sproul
"D.L. Moody"
"Dies Domini"
and many others
Yes that is right - 6 of the 7 are actually common ground between Sabbath keeping and Sunday keeping Christians.[/FONT]

So then... as usual... your argument is "with the text"




I can also say "these are not SDAs" - nor "my authorities"

but can you also say "these don't believe in worship on Sunday"??

The point is EVEN those on your "pro-sunday" side the fence see the glaringly obvious point about the TEN commandments as the moral law of God.

Not just one or two.

The majority of pro-Sunday scholarship.

When will you get that into your head?
In the list given, neither Matthew Henry, nor Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown are SDA or saturday keeping and STILL they admit to "the obvious".


You say " I don't know who Andy Stanley was."

That says a lot. You are "Baptist" right? Hint Andy Stanley is not SDA even if he does have the largest Baptist church in America.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/a...-hes-ready-to-invest-in-30-somethings-127296/



Sproul is a strong sunday-keeping Calvinist. - which does not make him SDA by a long shot. yet even "he" admits to the point about the TEN Commandments.

.
--In short, not one of the sources I have given I would go to for any kind of "authoritative Pope" source for SDA and STILL they "know enough" not to be at war against the Bible - Ten Commandments..

Your turning a blind eye to these glaringly obvious details is just a red herring and that is all.

Our LORD and Savior Jesus Christ came out of the grave on the First Day of the Week.

Whoah! Hold on thar!!

Your fellow Baptists have been attacking the "Baptist Confession of Faith" and C.H Spurgeon like they had red hair. Where do you stand on that?? Are you ALSO going to declare yourself at war with the 7 points in the OP??

Because these guys are almost tireless in their war against the first 6 points from the Bible as affirmed by Moody, Spurgeon and the "Baptist Confession of Faith".

Time to stand and be counted.

Here is an example of claims made by the pro-Sunday sources - and 6 of the 7 are actually correct according to the Bible!.


Yes that is right - 6 of the 7 are actually common ground between Sabbath keeping and Sunday keeping Christians.


1. That the Sabbath Commandment is first given to mankind in Gen 2:1-3
2. That all mankind was obligated by the TEN commandments in the OT and to this very day.
3. That the seventh day as the Sabbath was Saturday the seventh day of the week from Gen 2:1-3 until NT times - including at the cross.
4. That the Ten Commandments are the moral Law of God
5. That the moral law of God is written on the heart under the New Covenant
6. that the Ten Commandments as the moral law of God are in no way opposed to grace and the Gospel.
7. That the Sabbath commandment can rightly be BENT by man-made-tradition to point to week-day-1 after the cross.

I agree with 6 out of 7 as listed above - and yet many who post against God's TEN commandments object to all of the points listed above. And sometimes they will even go on to complain that so many of the points above are in agreement with my position and opposed to the war-against-the-Ten-Commandments position.

================================

You have carefully avoided attacking the first six points above that come from the Bible - are you timid about agreeing with the Bible on those points??


in Christ,

Bob

 

[DHK]

Whoah! Hold on thar!!

Your fellow Baptists have been attacking the "Baptist Confession of Faith" and C.H Spurgeon like they had red hair. Where do you stand on that?? Are you ALSO going to declare yourself at war with the 7 points in the OP??

Because these guys are almost tireless in their war against the first 6 points from the Bible as affirmed by Moody, Spurgeon and the "Baptist Confession of Faith".

Time to stand and be counted.

in Christ,

Bob

We're not the ones with the problem; you are.
You have yet to show a single verse from the NT where it commands believers to keep the Sabbath. Not one verse Bob. This discussion is dead.

 

[BobRyan]

Ryan

You, and a good many others, need to ask yourselfs: Why did God wait 1800 years to reveal something new to Ms. White, ?

God waited 1500 years to reveal a thing or two to Noah.

God waited 4000 years to reveal a thing or two to John the baptizer.

God waited 5800 years to reveal a thing or two (written down in 50,000 pages of manuscript) to Ellen White just before the end of the world.

Are you thinking that maybe God should do His job differently???

 

[OldRegular]

God waited 1500 years to reveal a thing or two to Noah.

God waited 4000 years to reveal a thing or two to John the baptizer.

Interesting to know where your dates come from.

God waited 5800 years to reveal a thing or two (written down in 50,000 pages of manuscript) to Ellen White just before the end of the world.

5800 years? Are you sure it wasn't 5810 years or 5889 years. And God revealed exactly 50,000 pages to Ms. White, about 50 times as much as He did to the true prophets over a period of several thousand years. Were they on golden leaves written in King James English as the special revelation Joseph Smith received.

That being said the Revelation of God was closed almost 2000 years ago. Any so-called revelations since then are absolutely false and initiate heresy.

Are you thinking that maybe God should do His job differently???

No! It is you and other disciples of Ms. White who apparently are unhappy with what God has revealed to man through His Word.

But one must concede that if Ms. White generated 50,000 pages of bull she has a vivid imagination. It is this sort of radical revelation nonsense that led to David Koresh and the Waco tragedy in Texas about 20 years ago.

 

[BobRyan]

Whoah! Hold on thar!!

Your fellow Baptists have been attacking the "Baptist Confession of Faith" and C.H Spurgeon like they had red hair. Where do you stand on that?? Are you ALSO going to declare yourself at war with the 7 points in the OP??

Because these guys are almost tireless in their war against the first 6 points from the Bible as affirmed by Moody, Spurgeon and the "Baptist Confession of Faith".

Originally Posted by BobRyan
Here is an example of claims made by the pro-Sunday sources - and 6 of the 7 are actually correct according to the Bible!.


Yes that is right - 6 of the 7 are actually common ground between Sabbath keeping and Sunday keeping Christians.


1. That the Sabbath Commandment is first given to mankind in Gen 2:1-3
2. That all mankind was obligated by the TEN commandments in the OT and to this very day.
3. That the seventh day as the Sabbath was Saturday the seventh day of the week from Gen 2:1-3 until NT times - including at the cross.
4. That the Ten Commandments are the moral Law of God
5. That the moral law of God is written on the heart under the New Covenant
6. that the Ten Commandments as the moral law of God are in no way opposed to grace and the Gospel.
7. That the Sabbath commandment can rightly be BENT by man-made-tradition to point to week-day-1 after the cross.

I agree with 6 out of 7 as listed above - and yet many who post against God's TEN commandments object to all of the points listed above. And sometimes they will even go on to complain that so many of the points above are in agreement with my position and opposed to the war-against-the-Ten-Commandments position.

Time to stand and be counted.



You have carefully avoided attacking the first six points above that come from the Bible - are you timid about agreeing with the Bible on those points??

Interesting to know where your dates come from.

Would be interesting to know if you stand for the "Baptist Confession of Faith" points on section 19 of that document or are at war with them like a couple of other Baptists on this thread.

Hint - Wako is "Branch Davidian".

in Christ,

Bob

 

[OldRegular]

Would be interesting to know if you stand for the "Baptist Confession of Faith" points on section 19 of that document or are at war with them like a couple of other Baptists on this thread.

Hint - Wako is "Branch Davidian".

in Christ,

Bob

When you address my two previous posts I will respond to the above!

Hint - "Branch Davidian" came out of the SDA!

 

[BobRyan]

When you address my two previous posts I will respond to the above!

Hint - "Branch Davidian" came out of the SDA!

1. Hint the Lutherans came out of the Catholic Church.

Methodists came out of the Anglican Church which came out of the Catholic Church. How long will you blame the Catholics for every idea that Methodists have??

And the Branch Davidians came out of the Davidian church. Which has nothing to do with this thread.

2. If you have a single shred of a post on the actual topic of this thread - for me to respond to -- and I have not... then please point it out to us.

3. Now is this your way of being too timid to endorse the "Baptist Confession of Faith" with its section 19 - a document endorsing all seven points listed in the OP. Timid perhaps because a couple of posters here are at war with all 7 of its points from section 19 and 22??

Is that possible? Is that what we are seeing? really?

I always thought of you as a "stand and be counted" sort of poster.

 

[BobRyan]

Iconoclast offers this timid reminder that he just might endorse the 7 points of the "Baptist Confession of Faith" though he is careful not to admit it outright. So not sure where he stands.

DHK;.

the text says

and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.

you say;

you say:


Peter quotes Joel;
16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh:
it is now all flesh...right now

 

[BobRyan]

So our buddy Bob denies what SDA's actually believe

.

I am curious if that is supposed to make sense -- given the actual content of the OP.

in Christ,

Bob