Are all of God's Ten Commandments still valid?

[OldRegular]

If you google it you can find it -- or just look at my prior post. #271

Which is just a re-post of -- #226

You made certain claims regarding the rejection by certain Baptists of a Baptist Confession of Faith. If you identify that Confession and the parts rejected by certain Baptists I will try to respond. Otherwise I cannot.

I will say this. Baptists, unlike the SDA, are a people of the Bible. Any Confession of Faith that is contrary to the Bible will be rejected.

We don't look to 50,000 pages of extra revelation given to Ms. White 1800 years after God's revelation was closed

 

[BobRyan]

You made certain claims regarding the rejection by certain Baptists of a Baptist Confession of Faith. If you identify that Confession and the parts rejected by certain Baptists I will try to respond. Otherwise I cannot.

So then are you asking me to identify this "again"??

Hint: Find two called the "BAPTIST Confession of Faith" that are held by as many Baptists. -- and look at section 19.

Meanwhile --

[FONT=&quot]Links that remain as of today[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]http://www.vor.org/truth/1689/1689bc01.html[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]http://www.vor.org/truth/1689/1689bc19.html[/FONT]


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[FONT=&quot]http://www.creeds.net/baptists/1689/kerkham/1689.htm [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]http://www.creeds.net/baptists/1689/kerkham/1689.htm#Ch19 [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]As revised by Spurgeon 1855[/FONT]

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[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/creeds/bcof.htm#part19[/FONT][/FONT]

as pointed out in the quote you included in your own post??

Originally Posted by BobRyan
If you google it you can find it -- or just look at my prior post. #271

Which is just a re-post of -- #226

And of course section 19 quoted here on this same thread ---

#128

C.H. Spurgeon's edition of the "Baptist Confession of Faith" -- [FONT=&quot]CH Spurgeon[/FONT][FONT=&quot]



“The Perpetuity of the Law of God”
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[/FONT]Very great mistakes have been made about the law. Not long ago there were those about us who affirmed that the law is utterly abrogated and abolished, and they openly taught that believers were not bound to make the moral law the rule of their lives. What would have been sin in other men they counted to be no sin in themselves. From such Antinomianism as that may God deliver us. We are not under the law as the method of salvation, but we delight to see the law in the hand of Christ, and desire to obey the Lord in all things. Others have been met with who have taught that Jesus mitigated and softened down the law, and they have in effect said that the perfect law of God was too hard for imperfect beings, and therefore God has given us a milder and easier rule. These tread dangerously upon the verge of terrible error, although we believe that they are little aware of it.

Section 19 of the "Baptist Confession of Faith" .

Section 19
. The Law of God

• God gave to Adam a law of universal obedience which was written in his heart, and He gave him very specific instruction about not eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. By this Adam and all his descendants were bound to personal, total, exact, and perpetual obedience, being promised life upon the fulfilling of the law, and threatened with death upon the breach of it. At the same time Adam was endued with power and ability to keep it.

• The same law that was first written in the heart of man continued to be a perfect rule of righteousness after the Fall, and was delivered by God upon Mount Sinai in the TEN COMMANDMENTS, and written in two tables, the first four containing our duty towards God, and the other six, our duty to man.

• Besides this law, commonly called the moral law, God was pleased do give the people of Israel ceremonial laws containing several typical ordinances. These ordinances were partly about their worship, and in them Christ was prefigured along with His attributes and qualities, His actions, His sufferings and His benefits. These ordinances also gave instructions about different moral duties. All of these ceremonial laws were appointed only until the time of reformation, when Jesus Christ the true Messiah and the only lawgiver, Who was furnished with power from the Father for this end, cancelled them and took them away.

• To the people of Israel He also gave sundry judicial laws which expired when they ceased to be a nation. These are not binding on anyone now by virtue of their being part of the laws of that nation, but their general equity continue to be applicable in modern times.

The moral law ever binds to obedience everyone, justified people as well as others, and not only out of regard for the matter contained in it, but also out of respect for the authority of God the Creator, Who gave the law. Nor does Christ in the Gospel dissolve this law in any way, but He considerably strengthens our obligation to obey it

And as for a baptist at war with God's Ten Commandments ??

Bob, this is from Spurgeon's Confession of Faith. It is not mine. He is a Calvinist; I am not. Why would you expect me to agree with it. That is your first fallacy.
Secondly, there is only one point I can see that I would agree, and that only if it is pre-conditioned.

5. That the moral law of God is written on the heart under the New Covenant
--The moral law is not equivalent to the Ten Commandments as previously defined.

 

[BobRyan]

And from the OP the 7 points affirmed in such documents --


Yes that is right - 6 of the 7 are actually common ground between Sabbath keeping and Sunday keeping Christians.


1. That the Sabbath Commandment is first given to mankind in Gen 2:1-3
2. That all mankind was obligated by the TEN commandments in the OT and to this very day.
3. That the seventh day as the Sabbath was Saturday the seventh day of the week from Gen 2:1-3 until NT times - including at the cross.
4. That the Ten Commandments are the moral Law of God
5. That the moral law of God is written on the heart under the New Covenant
6. that the Ten Commandments as the moral law of God are in no way opposed to grace and the Gospel.
7. That the Sabbath commandment can rightly be BENT by man-made-tradition to point to week-day-1 after the cross.

I agree with 6 out of 7 as listed above - and yet many who post against God's TEN commandments object to all of the points listed above. And sometimes they will even go on to complain that so many of the points above are in agreement with my position and opposed to the war-against-the-Ten-Commandments position.

By pro-sunday groups such as --

"Baptist Confession of Faith"
"Westminster Confession of Faith"
C.H. Spurgeon
Andy Stanley
Matthew Henry
[FONT=&quot]Jamieson, Fausset, Brown[/FONT]
R.C Sproul
"D.L. Moody"
"Dies Domini"
and many others

 

[BobRyan]

I agree with 6 of the 7 points in the OP all of which are affirmed by the "Baptist Confession of Faith" --

But some baptist so worked up into a frenzy by vitriol, acrimony and mean spirited deny-all diatribe would probably post something like ....

We don't agree on any of the points. You belong to the SDA, a cult. We have nothing in common.

In any case - you have to admit it is at least remotely "possible" they might post stuff like that.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[DHK]

By pro-sunday groups such as --
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"Baptist Confession of Faith"
"Westminster Confession of Faith"
C.H. Spurgeon
Andy Stanley
Matthew Henry
[FONT=&quot]Jamieson, Fausset, Brown[/FONT]
R.C Sproul
"D.L. Moody"
"Dies Domini"
and many others

And so?? Do you want to quote cults as well? What about other relgions?
What is your point, Bob?

Here are the ones that you have quoted:

"Baptist Confession of Faith"—Which one? There are many.
"Westminster Confession of Faith"—“Presbyterian Church in America”
C.H. Spurgeon—Calvinist
Andy Stanley-- the senior pastor of North Point Community Church, Buckhead Church, Browns Bridge Church, (man-centered gospel and easy-believism)
Matthew Henry--Presbyterian
Jamieson--Presbyterian
Fausset, --An Anglican
Brown-- Free Church of Scotland minister at St. James, Glasgow, and professor of theology at Free Church College of the University of Aberdeen. (Presbyterian)
R.C Sproul--Calvinist
"D.L. Moody"—Congregational/Plymouth Brethren/non-denominational
Dies Domini is an apostolic letter promulgated by Pope John Paul II on July 30, 1998.

Why do you think these "so-called" authorities are so important to us?
They are not.

 

[Salty]

Mr. Ryan -
can you give me the link for a 7th Day Adv forum so I can go on

 

[DHK]

I agree with 6 of the 7 points in the OP all of which are affirmed by the "Baptist Confession of Faith" --

But some baptist so worked up into a frenzy by vitriol, acrimony and mean spirited deny-all diatribe would probably post something like ....


In any case - you have to admit it is at least remotely "possible" they might post stuff like that.

in Christ,

Bob

I state my case from the Word of God.
You state your case via Ellen G. White.
Ellen G. White had a vision saying that all should keep the Sabbath, and those that don't would have the Mark of the Beast. I can give you the quote. There is no vitriol.
Keeping the Sabbath is for the Israelites, and it is putting yourself under the law. It is also following the dictates of a cult leader. We all know that.

I have challenged you over and over again:
Give me just one verse from the NT that commands believers to keep the Sabbath. You can't do it. Not even one verse.
The vitriol and false teaching on this board is all yours. This thread is 29 pages of false teaching--the advertisement of a false cult. You have been given plenty of space to given any verse of scripture you want. But you cannot provide even one from the NT that commands the believer to keep the Sabbath. That should tell you something.

With the thread being this long it will soon be closed.

 

[Salty]

IWith the thread being this long it will soon be closed.

AMEN!

salty

ps, but will he start a new page?

 

[BobRyan]

I state my case from the Word of God.
You state your case via Ellen G. White. .

That is a pretty interesting fiction you have there -- do you have an actual quote of me on this thread - making my case by quoting Ellen White??

Really?

You do??

Post it for us.

In the mean time - I will post the actual Bible texts in the actual OP - and we will see who is reporting fact ... and who is "making stuff up".

This should be pretty easy don't you think??

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

Mr. Ryan -
can you give me the link for a 7th Day Adv forum so I can go on

Yes -- http://clubadventist.com/forums/index.php?/forum/43-theological-townhall/

sign up and post to your heart's content. That is one of the largest if not the-largest SDA posting forum on the internet. It is roughly equivalent to this board only there is almost no area where you cannot post as a Baptist. Might be one or two.

just a reminder though --- "all rant, all vitriol" etc won't work so well there as it does a few other places. You will need some facts.

It would be interesting to see a few Baptists here go and post where just having some vitriol to offer is not going to be viewed as "substantive".

Just as we don't assume everyone here is Baptist - so you should not assume that everyone there is Seventh-day Adventist ... but many are.

 

[BobRyan]

Originally Posted by BobRyan

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Originally Posted by BobRyan
That still leaves you as "Baptist" not "SDA".

The point was not that you have to actually "believe Baptists" the point is that those sources are not SDA and yet even THEY admit to the Bible details about God's Ten Commandments such that they know enough not to be at war with God's Ten Commandments.

The point is that your constant efforts to re-cast this as "just SDAs notice that about God's Ten Commandments" is not a case that can be made in "real life".

You are ignoring the texts in the OP and pretending that these pro-sunday sources that you are at war against in your all-7-points-war ... still leaves the issue between your view and "just SDAs" as if the majority of even pro-Sunday scholarship "does not exist".

This is the incredibly obvious part of the discussion.

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Originally Posted by DHK

NO I DON'T! Get it through your skull! I don't have to believe any Baptist concerning the Sabbath or Sunday.

Perhaps if I repeat this 3 times for you -- you will get it and respond to the point actually in the post.

1. The point was not that you have to actually "believe Baptists" the point is that those sources are not SDA and yet even THEY admit to the Bible details about God's Ten Commandments such that they know enough not to be at war with God's Ten Commandments.

The point is that your constant efforts to re-cast this as "just SDAs

<repeated 2 more times here>

I say that to address your "it is just SDAs" when the first 6 points of the OP come up.

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Originally Posted by DHK
I have repeatedly told you that I don't care about "other sources listed."
You don't get that do you? They don't matter to me.

1. I am curious as to how many times we can have that conversation and you pretend like you are having it for the first time.


1. The point was not that you have to actually "believe Baptists" the point is that those sources are not SDA and yet even THEY admit to the Bible details about God's Ten Commandments such that they know enough not to be at war with God's Ten Commandments.

The point is that your constant efforts to re-cast this as "just SDAs" is flawed

The nonsensical "no baptist is my pope" argument that you keep spinning is not even in the discussion because.... wait for it.... "The point was not that you have to actually "believe Baptists" the point is that those sources are not SDA and yet even THEY admit to the Bible details"

You raise the wild "it is just SDAs that notice those 6 points" that you are so at war with -- and then you object when I PROVE it is "not just SDAs".

so when you are at war against God's Ten Commandments no sense in "pretending" that it is "just SDAs" that choose the Bible over your rant against the Ten Commandments.

Why do you think these "so-called" authorities are so important to us?
They are not.

1. I am curious as to how many times we can have that conversation and you pretend like you are having it for the first time. Is it half a dozen times I have said that you are free to believe whatever you like?? maybe more??

Do you simply refuse to read the posts / or answer the points on the thread?? .. is that your secret??

in Christ,

Bob

 

[DHK]

AMEN!

salty

ps, but will he start a new page?

We'll close it now.
But please do note the dodge ball.

I have challenged you over and over again:
Give me just one verse from the NT that commands believers to keep the Sabbath. You can't do it. Not even one verse.

It was never answered.